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Kansas tax cuts have been an unmitigated disaster

Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:54 pm
So says the NY times

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There was a windstorm of hasty excuses in recent weeks after Kansas reported that it took in $338 million less than expected in the 2014 fiscal year and would have to dip heavily into a reserve fund. Spending wasn’t cut enough, said conservatives. Too many rich people sold off stock in the previous year, state officials said. It’s the price of creating jobs, said Gov. Sam Brownback.


None of those reasons were correct. There was only one reason for the state’s plummeting revenues, and that was the spectacularly ill-advised income tax cuts that Mr. Brownback and his fellow Republicans engineered in 2012 and 2013. The cuts, which largely benefited the wealthy, cost the state 8 percent of the revenue it needs for schools and other government services. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities noted, that’s about the same as the effect of a midsize recession. Moody’s cut the state’s debt rating in April for the first time in at least 13 years, citing the cuts and a lack of confidence in the state’s fiscal management.


The 2012 cuts were among the largest ever enacted by a state, reducing the top tax bracket by 25 percent and eliminating all taxes on business profits that are reported on individual income returns. (No other state has ever eliminated all taxes on these pass-through businesses.) The cuts were arrogantly promoted by Mr. Brownback with the same disproven theory that Republicans have employed for decades: There will be no loss of revenue because of all the economic growth!


“Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in 2012. “It will pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”


But the growth didn’t show up. Kansas, in fact, was one of only five states to lose employment over the last six months, while the rest of the country was improving. It has been below the national average in job gains for the three and half years Mr. Brownback has been in office. Average earnings in the state are down since 2012, and so is net growth in the number of registered businesses.




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We have to remember that the laffer curve does not state that tax cuts always lead to an increase in revenue.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:00 pm to
Florida cut a bunch of taxes and had goof job growth.

Maybe Kansas just sucks to live.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76526 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:01 pm to
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laffer curve


Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:11 pm to
It's been bad because they weren't accompanied by the proper amount of spending cuts as well
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69307 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

It's been bad because they weren't accompanied by the proper amount of spending cuts as well
Then you do the spending cuts first.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:15 pm to
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Then you do the spending cuts first.


It probably wasn't the cuts, but the budget was WAY off and they fricked themselves.

You'd have to dig deep in their financial reports and I don't have time for that but it would be a good case study that I'm sure someone is working on right now.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

We have to remember that the laffer curve does not state that tax cuts always lead to an increase in revenue.


Cut too much.

Or the state spends too much.

Or both.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:20 pm to
There's so much else that can go into their situation. even if you do cut taxes they are still stuck trying to attract people to Kansas.

I hate the NYT. Why don't they do a hard hitting study of the Texas business climate vs. the New York business climate?
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:20 pm to
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

quote:

Kansas Severe Storms, Straight-line Winds, Tornadoes, and Flooding
July 22, 2013 to August 16, 2013
Major Disaster Declaration declared on October 22, 2013
Kansas Snowstorm
February 20, 2013 to February 23, 2013
Major Disaster Declaration declared on April 26, 2013



quote:

Drought conditions have prompted The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) to declare 37 Kansas counties as primary natural disaster areas and qualify for Federal assistance.




Sometimes, there is NOT a direct relationship between two things.

It takes a LOT more effort to determine why revenues are lower than "tax hikes / cuts"
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 7:21 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55494 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

lead to an increase in revenue.


Why would I want that? :shrug:
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:24 pm to
The government shouldn't have a "reserve fund."
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90653 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:25 pm to
That's in no way proof that the conservative tax cut policy doesn't work. Louisiana and Florida are examples of it's success.

There are a few reasons it didn't work here:

1. They cut too much without cutting some spending.

2. Economic growth doesn't happen quickly..takes a few years to really take effect, especially in a piss poor national economy and federal regulations being too stiff.

3. Kansas has very little to attract new businesses, even with a favorable tax policy to business. Kansas fricking sucks....and people aren't gonna grow more corn there because taxes are lower
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76526 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:28 pm to
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3. Kansas has very little to attract new businesses, even with a favorable tax policy to business. Kansas fricking sucks....and people aren't gonna grow more corn there because taxes are lower


People that say shite like this are very short sighted IMO. There are great places to live in any state, and Kansas City is becoming a thriving place to live from all accounts I've read.

People say the same shite about Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Ohio, etc. and it's not true either.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71151 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

Kansas Severe Storms, Straight-line Winds, Tornadoes, and Flooding
July 22, 2013 to August 16, 2013
Major Disaster Declaration declared on October 22, 2013
Kansas Snowstorm
February 20, 2013 to February 23, 2013
Major Disaster Declaration declared on April 26, 2013


Those were a direct result of the tax cuts! You didn't see tornadoes and flooding in San Francisco, did you?
Posted by GregMaddux
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2011
18213 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:43 pm to
quote:


That's in no way proof that the conservative tax cut policy doesn't work. Louisiana and Florida are examples of it's success.


Also the federal government already taxes far too much of people's income so the states' don't have much tax cutting freedom. It's not exactly apples to apples.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36053 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:53 pm to
Kansas could do like the Feds do

Raise taxes and spend and watch their debt climb
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:54 pm to
It's fricking Kansas todo.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

Those were a direct result of the tax cuts! You didn't see tornadoes and flooding in San Francisco, did you?


You mke an excellent point


Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69307 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:27 pm to
The Kansas gov is going to lose reelection because of this.
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