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When Affirmative Action Discriminates against Minorities (Reason Blog)
Posted on 7/21/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 4:34 pm
Asians, of course
oh yeah, and by using the "resume method", the poor (of all races) are hurt and the rich are rewarded
objective determinations? bad
progress hurting minority groups and poor people? good
quote:
New York City politicians—including Mayor Bill de Blasio—want to change the admissions system for the city's nine highly-selective premiere public high schools, including nationally-renowned Stuyvesant High School. The schools currently use a single exam, the Specialized High Schools Admissions Test, to determine admittance. Less than three percent of applicants are admitted to Stuyvesant.
The problem, in the eyes of some, is that black and Latino students are increasingly underrepresented at the elite schools. So are white students. When a test score is the only criteria, it seems that Asian Americans are more likely than other racial groups to gain admission to Stuyvesant.
quote:
“I do not believe a single test should be determinative, particularly for something that is as life-changing for so many young people,” de Blasio, who would need to persuade the state Legislature to amend the law, said last week. “We have to determine what combination of measures will be fair.”
oh yeah, and by using the "resume method", the poor (of all races) are hurt and the rich are rewarded
quote:
A Chinese student like Ting Shi who has to help out in his parents’ laundromat is not going on “service” trips to Nicaragua with the children in de Blasio’s affluent Park Slope neighborhood. The LDF’s suggested admissions criteria — student portfolios, leadership skills and community service — are all subject to privileged parents’ ability to buy their children the indicia of impressiveness.
Ironically, eliminating the SHSAT would magnify the role of what progressives call “unconscious bias” — the idea that we have a preference for those who look like us and share our backgrounds. Subjective evaluation measures like interviews and portfolio reviews are much more susceptible to such bias than is an objective examination.
objective determinations? bad
progress hurting minority groups and poor people? good
Posted on 7/21/14 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Stuyvesant? Hell, you should look at Bronx HS of Science. Asians, Jews, Indians (from India). What do they all have in common? High IQs.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've said this before in another thread and was hated on, but eventually blacks will demand that Asians be disqualified from being counted as a minority.. and they will succeed.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 5:27 pm to Asgard Device
if we go back to how different racial classes of immigrants were treated, blacks had it worst (obviously). but asians weren't exactly treated well, and they were treated worse than latinos. THAT is the gap you want to monitor
if asians are excluded for lations due to historical justifications, you essentially have de facto racial segregation based on nothing more than race...solely because one race bucks the trends of disproportional representation and success (and we ignore jews, but they buck it, too)
if asians are excluded for lations due to historical justifications, you essentially have de facto racial segregation based on nothing more than race...solely because one race bucks the trends of disproportional representation and success (and we ignore jews, but they buck it, too)
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
What have blacks done with all the handouts and letting them go to any school we wan them too in some cities?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but asians weren't exactly treated well, and they were treated better than latinos.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Consider the treatment given the Chinese on the West Coast especially during the gold Rush and railroad building period.
Read up on the agricultural development of Hawaii.
We can't forget the treatment of the Japanese during WWII.
A lot of minorities have had a tough row to hoe.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:19 pm to Gray Tiger
i said that wrong. i meant worse
so in the rankings of races and bad treatment
1. blacks
2. asians
3. latinos
so in the rankings of races and bad treatment
1. blacks
2. asians
3. latinos
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Are you saying that past unfair treatment should be measured so that current discrimination reflects it?
The worse the past treatment, the greater the current favorable discrimination?
Or am I totally off base here?
The worse the past treatment, the greater the current favorable discrimination?
Or am I totally off base here?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Man this board has been on quite the AA binge the last couple days
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:29 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:
Are you saying that past unfair treatment should be measured so that current discrimination reflects it?
no
but the argument for those pushing for rewarding race use it as their justification, even when it doesn't reflect historical realities
quote:
The worse the past treatment, the greater the current favorable discrimination?
that's what the argument will be with these policies. how else can they systematically decrease asian representation from AA or AA-like systems (as legitimate minority groups)? what other justification will they use?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
i skimmed that Wisconsin policy (the actual pdf from the university) and i think the posted article ( and the one linked within the article) were off. i didn't see that stuff. i didn't post about it b/c i was watching a movie at the time an didn't devote enough of my resources to skimming the policy
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i skimmed that Wisconsin policy (the actual pdf from the university) and i think the posted article ( and the one linked within the article) were off.
Shocked, shocked I tell you!
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:32 pm to onmymedicalgrind
well i think the stuff started with a prof at wisconsin bitching, so i imagine i may have missed it
it did do what the stuff in the OP wants to do, ie, looking at the "Whole resume"
it did do what the stuff in the OP wants to do, ie, looking at the "Whole resume"
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
it did do what the stuff in the OP wants to do, ie, looking at the "Whole resume"
The Wisconsin thread OP made it seem as if minorities would be graded on a totally different scale, nothing about the "whole resume." Maybe I'm not understanding you here.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:36 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
The Wisconsin thread OP made it seem as if minorities would be graded on a totally different scale
i didn't see that
i was just pointing out that i did definitely see some BS (in my view) AA-esque policy goals, re: applications
that also kind of "brings things around" re: the thread, b/c that mimics policy goals of the OP (different system, same bullshite)
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
what other justification will they use?
How about none? Why not get rid of AA entirely?
Why continue legalized discrimination?
Did we get rid of forcing certain people ride in the back of the bus merely to shove someone else there?
Or is AA just another word for revenge?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well to actually address your OP, I see nothing wrong with shifting from entrance exam to "whole resume" type approach. Im no education/administration expert, though
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:In other words, we have to insert bias and discrimination into the mix. What the absolute frick.
“We have to determine what combination of measures will be fair.”
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:45 pm to onmymedicalgrind
well we got away from that and moved to a more objective analysis to prevent the very stuff AA seeks to cure
it's like the article in the OP says, poor people don't have the same chances at ECs and resume-building
it's like the article in the OP says, poor people don't have the same chances at ECs and resume-building
Posted on 7/21/14 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
When Affirmative Action Discriminates against Minorities
Not exactly on topic, but here's Sowell schooling the shite out of Biden about the "effectiveness" of Affirmative Action; LINK
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