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Honestly all this talk about unattended children is getting me scared.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:36 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:36 am
Am I not going to be able to send my son out to play in the park by himself until he's 18?
I think if conservatives want to hop up on a platform and start complaining about government over-reach this is the one to do it on. I've not only read about it but I know about it from friends. I hope I never learn about it from my own experience!
I know a perfectly good mother who had her children taken and given to her mother-in-law because her mother-in-law hates her and works for the judge. The basis cited in law for the decision was "best interest of the children". Essentially the argument was that because at some time in the past they went without running water for a few weeks - she was unfit to be a mother (despite having a perfectly decent place to live now). This is criminalization of poverty - plain and simple.
I also know a perfectly fine lesbian couple with two daughters who had to go through a CPS evaluation because some anonymous person cooked up some bullshite and told lies to CPS. After CPS came by - and not only determined there wasn't evidence but that the complaint was total bullcrap - even THEN - they don't get to know the indentity of the accuser! WTF? CPS will not take complaints from the same accuser again - but the accuser could get their friends or family to make the complaints. (edit - though I guess that's the divide - many conservatives wouldn't view the government breaking up families with gay or lesbian parents as overreach)
I think if conservatives want to hop up on a platform and start complaining about government over-reach this is the one to do it on. I've not only read about it but I know about it from friends. I hope I never learn about it from my own experience!
I know a perfectly good mother who had her children taken and given to her mother-in-law because her mother-in-law hates her and works for the judge. The basis cited in law for the decision was "best interest of the children". Essentially the argument was that because at some time in the past they went without running water for a few weeks - she was unfit to be a mother (despite having a perfectly decent place to live now). This is criminalization of poverty - plain and simple.
I also know a perfectly fine lesbian couple with two daughters who had to go through a CPS evaluation because some anonymous person cooked up some bullshite and told lies to CPS. After CPS came by - and not only determined there wasn't evidence but that the complaint was total bullcrap - even THEN - they don't get to know the indentity of the accuser! WTF? CPS will not take complaints from the same accuser again - but the accuser could get their friends or family to make the complaints. (edit - though I guess that's the divide - many conservatives wouldn't view the government breaking up families with gay or lesbian parents as overreach)
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 5:38 am
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:38 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
I think if conservatives want to hop up on a platform and start complaining about government over-reach this is the one to do it on.
Only if you go first.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:41 am to SpidermanTUba
I don't believe you're concerned. The state uber alles is your motto.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:44 am to SpidermanTUba
The root cause is "zero tolerance" laws. Govt officials know they will never be punished as long as they err on the side of "arrest and let the judge figure it out." Like a judge is the only one that can apply common sense.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:54 am to C
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The root cause is "zero tolerance" laws. Govt officials know they will never be punished as long as they err on the side of "arrest and let the judge figure it out." Like a judge is the only one that can apply common sense.
By the time it gets to a judge you can pretty much guarantee common sense will not be applied, especially in this state.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:56 am to SpidermanTUba
Tuba. You OK?
You almost sound like an anti statist.
You have fever? Chills?
You almost sound like an anti statist.
You have fever? Chills?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:57 am to SpidermanTUba
CPS is a joke. Have some friends in the foster system, and watching what they've had to go thru to adopt a baby is shocking. It's an issue that needs attention.
And I feel dirty for agreeing with you.
And I feel dirty for agreeing with you.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:57 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Am I not going to be able to send my son out to play in the park by himself until he's 18?
I stopped reading at your disclosure that you have actually procreated.....
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:59 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:What about children removed from perfectly good father's homes, and placed with mothers? His only crime is "possession of penis".
I know a perfectly good mother who had her children taken and given to her mother-in-law because her mother-in-law hates her and works for the judge. The basis cited in law for the decision was "best interest of the children". Essentially the argument was that because at some time in the past they went without running water for a few weeks - she was unfit to be a mother (despite having a perfectly decent place to live now). This is criminalization of poverty - plain and simple.
Criminilization of gender?
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 7:01 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:07 am to SpidermanTUba
SpidermanTUba;dr
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:10 am to lsu_tiger_az
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I stopped reading at your disclosure that you have actually procreated.....
SpidermanTUba II, heir apparent to the SpidermanTUba dynasty. Yes. He is 2. You'll see him in 11 years.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:12 am to Roaad
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What about children removed from perfectly good father's homes, and placed with mothers? His only crime is "possession of penis".
How old is the child? What was the basis for the father's custody in the first place? Temporary pending a hearing? Or was the mother a bad mother?
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 7:13 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:17 am to SpidermanTUba
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even THEN - they don't get to know the indentity of the accuser! WTF? CPS will not take complaints from the same accuser again - but the accuser could get their friends or family to make the complaints. (edit - though I guess that's the divide - many conservatives wouldn't view the government breaking up families with gay or lesbian parents as overreach)
I actually agree with most of your post (
) but a couple comments: 1) Names of people who call in concerns to CPS are protected bc many would not legit abuse if their identities were known. This is a good policy. What good would it do for your friends to know? CPS knows not to take this person seriously. And if repeated complaints are made and CPS finds them all to be unfounded, they will know what's going on.
2) I agree that many who preach small government also demand government interference when gay or lesbian families have children or want to marry. But this isn't all conservatives and I'm not sure it's even that majority. Regardless, the political hack statement at the end added nothing to your post and was unnecessary.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:19 am to SpidermanTUba
Send your children alone down to Peru lets say and then see if your scared.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:20 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:5
How old is the child?
quote:not sure
What was the basis for the father's custody in the first place?
quote:This has to be proven for men to have a chance for full custody. An the burden of proof is tremendous.
Or was the mother a bad mother?
Women odds for full custody are immense, unless he can prove she is a child pornographer or something.
Pretty well accepted fact in family law. Father's are assumed to be less fit, and have to prove otherwise. Mothers are assumed fit, until prove otherwise.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:28 am to SpidermanTUba
Are you trying to say that the Government does not know what is best for your child? If so you need to shut your mouth and listen to them. They have scientist doing studies on what is best for your child and science never lies.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:32 am to Roaad
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Women odds for full custody are immense, unless he can prove she is a child pornographer or something.
Pretty well accepted fact in family law. Father's are assumed to be less fit, and have to prove otherwise. Mothers are assumed fit, until prove otherwise.
Every person I know divorced in the past 10 years share custody 50/50 with about 30% having the father as domicile parent.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:17 am to LSUGrrrl
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Every person I know divorced in the past 10 years share custody 50/50 with about 30% having the father as domicile parent.
We do not know the same people.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:46 am to SpidermanTUba
Upvote for the first non-troll thread I've seen out of you in a long time. 
But....
But....
quote:...I think you're making a broad sweeping statement here. Conservatives come in many flavors just like liberals do.
many conservatives wouldn't view the government breaking up families with gay or lesbian parents as overreach
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:03 am to SpidermanTUba
I think I've agreed with Tuba on 2 consecutive days 
What the hell is going on???
What the hell is going on???
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