Remaining Questions: Monty William & Austin Rivers

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1.) Is Monty Williams a liability to this team, a neutral component, or an addition -- How well does he have to do to keep his job?

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I feel he is a liability but the talent on this roster is good enough to keep him employed imo.

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2.) Would you have rather Dell waived and stretched AR and offered Morrow the MLE or keep AR?

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keep AR without question

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1.) Is Monty Williams a liability to this team, a neutral component, or an addition -- How well does he have to do to keep his job?

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If we don't make the playoffs it is time to finally fire his arse.

1. I think they need to make the playoffs for him to keep his job. Too talented of a roster on paper for us not to make the playoffs.

2. Keep AR. I loved Morrow and what he brought to the team, but I wouldn't want to give him the full MLE to keep him.

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1.) Is Monty Williams a liability to this team, a neutral component, or an addition -- How well does he have to do to keep his job?

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Monty is an unknown. He does some things well, I think he's a good motivator and good at working with the players. Where he is questionable is his rotation selection, his game plan, and his in game adjustments. However, we have seen his defensive scheme be a top 10 scheme with sufficient talent and veteran players, and offensive pace wise, we did see him open things up more than normal during the "Glory Days" last year when the Core 4 were healthy at the same time. If he plays to the strengths of the team rather than the tenets of his ideology, he could be a decent coach, if not he'll get embarrassed in the playoffs and eventually fired.

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2.) Would you have rather Dell waived and stretched AR and offered Morrow the MLE or keep AR?

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If we had stretched Rivers it would have been to get under the cap to take Asik into cap space. It also probably costs you Babbit and Withey and maybe even paying someone to take Ajinca. In addition to losing all of those players, we'd also have lost the MLE in the process rendering your question invalid.

I'm looking into it but I think you are right except for the part about losing the MLE. I am fairly sure if we do the exact same transactions but would have waived and stretched AR, the stretched salary would have added enough cap space to keep the MLE cap-hold instead of eating up that space and only leaving the RLE.

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I'm looking into it but I think you are right except for the part about losing the MLE.

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If we are stretching Rivers, the purpose is clearly to create cap space to take Asik into cap space. Your exceptions act as holds on your cap space until you renounce them. If we get $8.4 under the cap to take in Asik, we actually have a $5.3 million hold for the MLE and $2.1 for the BAE sitting in front of that cap space, so you have to renounce those in order to complete the Asik trade.

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If a team is below the cap, then its Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 39). A team can't act like it's under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or trade exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

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Let me preface this with Tiger you are probably right. I'm a rookie, this is my first year trying to understand the CBA. However, I think you could waive & stretch AR, sign Morrow into the MLE with a non-bird right exception (Basically giving him what he got with OKC) then do the exact same transactions to sign Asik into cap space.

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However, if a team uses its Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception but does not exceed the constraints of the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (e.g., in 2011-12 they use the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception to sign a player for $3 million or less), then the team is allowed to later exceed the apron (i.e., it is not hard-capped). If the team later exceeds the apron, then it is considered to have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception rather than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. But the converse is not true -- if a team is above the apron and spends any of its Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, it cannot drop below the apron and spend the remaining money as part of its Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. Finally, a team that was above the apron but did not spend any of its Taxpayer Mid-Level exception has full access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception if it later drops below the apron.

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It says something that he has been asked back to assist coaching the USA team along with Coach K, Jim Boeheim, and Tom Thibodeau. He will get more valuable experience coaching with this group for the FIBA World Cup.

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Monty!!!! he coached the USA!!

Yes, Monty is a liability. With a healthy roster in November, he should be given, no more than a month to keep his team above %500. In that span, if they go more than 2 games under, he should be replaced. There's too much talent and hes fumbled many games away. Youre not going to win every close game, especially when youre the inferior team against a superior coach. However, i dont remember any late game strategery the past couple years.

And i dont care about either AR or Morrow, Morrow is better but its all about the salary cap right now. Whatevers cheaper.

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GERRY V ?@gvtalk 31m

So guess next season after every tough loss we'll hear " they're young and still learning".correct?

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yep Monty loves to say this