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Gitmo prisoners cite Hobby Lobby ruling in religious liberty lawsuit

Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:48 pm
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:48 pm
And so it begins...

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Lawyers representing Guantanamo Bay prisoners are now invoking the recent Burwell v. Hobby Lobby ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that if corporations are allowed to have religious rights, so should detainees.

The motions, which were filed in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Ahmed Rabbani of Pakistan and Emad Hassan of Yemen, asked the court to end the military’s policy of denying Gitmo prisoners the right to observe communal prayer during Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. Two separate courts have previously upheld restrictions on the religious expression of prisoners, arguing that Gitmo detainees are nonresident aliens and thus do not qualify as “persons” under the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act (RFRA). But the new filing points out that this position is inconsistent with last week’s Supreme Courts ruling, which granted religious rights to a corporate “person” — Hobby Lobby — under RFRA.

“Hobby Lobby makes clear that all persons—human and corporate, citizen and foreigner, resident and alien—enjoy the special religious free exercise protections of the RFRA,” the filing reads. “Guantanamo Bay detainees, as flesh-and-blood human beings, are surely ‘individuals,’ and thus are no less ‘person[s]‘ than are the for-profit corporations in Hobby Lobby or the resident noncitizens whom Hobby Lobby gives as an example of persons to whom the RFRA must apply.”
“Thus, Hobby Lobby puts it beyond reasonable dispute that, as ‘person[s]‘ protected by the RFRA, Guantanamo Bay detainees enjoy rights of religious free exercise, including the right to pray in congregation.”



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This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32642 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:49 pm to
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And so it begins...


What begins?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94846 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:49 pm to
Release them from Gitmo into the middle of the Atlantic.

Problem solved.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:50 pm to
I thought Obama shutdown Gitmo? Or is he just waiting to see if he can trade those guys for something?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:50 pm to
I must have missed where the HL ruling permitted acts of violence in the name of one's religion.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69250 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:50 pm to
Damn, this ruling is really pissing off our liberal friends. Toddy, why are you such an authoritarian in non-gay marriage affairs?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94846 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:51 pm to
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I thought Obama shutdown Gitmo? Or is he just waiting to see if he can trade those guys for something?


Brazil may trade their soccer team for these guys and come out more popular for it if today is any indication.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:51 pm to
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And so it begins...




You posit that this is the beginning of prisoners filing frivolous lawsuits and citing cases in a dumb way?



This is nowhere near the "beginning"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421612 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:51 pm to
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And so it begins...

corporations were juridical persons long before the lower courts ruled these persons were nonresident aliens and outside of the RFRA
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16148 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:52 pm to
I don't think I've seen more rustled jimmies in my life
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62850 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:52 pm to
It began when we treated these guys like citizens instead of fricking scumbag military combatants.

But I'm glad you found a way to blame religion.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:53 pm to
shite, better reverse the ruling then.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64195 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

And so it begins...


What begins?
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6074 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:56 pm to
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What begins?


Another dumb post by Toddy.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76502 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:56 pm to
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And so it begins...


Frivolous and flippant lawsuits have been filed for centuries.

This is nothing new.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48096 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:57 pm to
You didn't read the ruling did you? You should really check out the "least restrictive" portion. It will help with some of your angst.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94846 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

Frivolous and flippant lawsuits have been filed for centuries.

This is nothing new.


I think the guy claiming he got AIDS from a McRib sandwich may have had a better leg to stand on than these guys.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118666 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:58 pm to
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shite, better reverse the ruling then.




Rustled jimmies are gonna get rustled.

Posted by LaFlyer
Member since Oct 2012
1043 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:58 pm to
At the risk of being viewed as a liberal, shouldn't they be allowed to pray?
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12294 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:58 pm to
Explain to me exactly what this means? I've already seen this on Facebook and asked but wasn't given an answer..
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