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Legal Pot in the US Is Crippling Mexican Cartels
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:36 pm
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So the fight is from within. It not the drug, it's a fight to keep marijuana illegal to justify subsidizing the criminal justice industrial complex.
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The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that pot farmers in the Sinaloa region have stopped planting due to a massive drop in wholesale prices, from $100 per kilo down to only $25. One farmer is quoted as saying: “It’s not worth it anymore. I wish the Americans would stop with this legalization.”
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“Is it hurting the cartels? Yes. The cartels are criminal organizations that were making as much as 35-40 percent of their income from marijuana,” Nelson said, “They aren’t able to move as much cannabis inside the US now.”
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Given the DEA’s historic relationship with the Sinaloa cartel, and the agency’s fury over legalized marijuana, it almost seems like the DEA wants to crush the legal weed market in order to protect the interests of their cartel friends. Almost.
“The DEA doesn’t want the drug war to end,” said Nelson, when asked about a possible connection between the agency’s hatred of legal pot and its buddies in Sinaloa. “If it ends, they don’t get their toys and their budgets. Once it ends, they aren’t going to have the kind of influence in foreign government. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but where there’s smoke there’s probably fire.”
So the fight is from within. It not the drug, it's a fight to keep marijuana illegal to justify subsidizing the criminal justice industrial complex.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:39 pm to GumboPot
Who woulda seen that coming?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:42 pm to GumboPot
But... But, there were 30 more pot DUI's in WA last year. 
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:42 pm to GumboPot
Get these facts outta here.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:45 pm to GumboPot
Apparently there are some who think that the cartels will soon target dispensaries here in the states.
Also, I wonder how many of these farmers will switch to opium.
Also, I wonder how many of these farmers will switch to opium.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:45 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:47 pm to GumboPot
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Legal Pot in the US Is Crippling Mexican Cartels
Duh.
This is what common sense should tell you. You're taking away an entire industry away from the back market when you legalize a vice.
People need to understand that gov't sanctioned prohibition creates underground markets and the violence and unsafe products that come with it.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:48 pm to GumboPot
No doubt there is some truth to that, people are always scared of change, whether it be an upgrade of windows or a robot in a manufacturing plant. I'd even say the local justice system would be against it, if they felt it might hurt their DUI revenue. There are always angles where people would have never guessed.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:49 pm to GumboPot
quote:This is with most areas of law enforcement. They only oppose something to protect society until it starts cutting into their bottom line.
“If it ends, they don’t get their toys and their budgets. Once it ends, they aren’t going to have the kind of influence in foreign government. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but where there’s smoke there’s probably fire.”
One thing I predict we will see a massive backlash over is the Google car, or any self-driving car for that matter. No more speeding tickets and traffic violations. That will hit some budgets hard.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:53 pm to Sentrius
Where is that dumb motherfricker that argued tooth and nail that this would never happen a couple of weeks ago in another thread. I am not so much answering you Sentrius as I am asking, I think you may have posted in that thread. Was it Darkhorse?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:53 pm to upgrayedd
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Also, I wonder how many of these farmers will switch to opium.
The heroin market is relatively small. Not enough to make up for lost MJ profits.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:55 pm to GumboPot
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Legal Pot in the US Is Crippling Mexican Cartels
Good!
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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The heroin market is relatively small. Not enough to make up for lost MJ profits.
It is a smaller market than MJ but, with the rise of prescription pain killer addiction, it's definitely a rising and lucrative market.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:05 pm to upgrayedd
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It is a smaller market than MJ but, with the rise of prescription pain killer addiction, it's definitely a rising and lucrative market.
I agree and it's amazing that these pills are widely prescribed and abused while MJ is demonized.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:07 pm to northshorebamaman
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The heroin market is relatively small. Not enough to make up for lost MJ profits.
But growing, and very quickly at that.
I just did a road trip that included jaunts through southern Indiana, southwestern Ohio, and central and eastern Kentucky...
Holy shite. Heroin has seriously taken a hold in some of those places.
I am generally a supporter of widespread legalization of most drugs but seeing some of that makes one think twice. I also have three heroin addicts that hang out right outside my door on the reg here in Chicago - annoying as hell.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:10 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I just did a road trip that included jaunts through southern Indiana, southwestern Ohio, and central and eastern Kentucky...
Holy shite. Heroin has seriously taken a hold in some of those places.
What kind of road trip did you take?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:17 pm to northshorebamaman
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What kind of road trip did you take?
Really. I'd like for him to elaborate on that a little more too.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:18 pm to northshorebamaman
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What kind of road trip did you take?
Gosh, honestly, I just know a lot of people in those areas. College and high school classmates, family, etc.
I have a good buddy who is an ER doc out of Cincinnati - the Cincinnati level 1 trauma centers cover a huge geographic swath (and most of the IN/KY/OH area I was talking about). Heroin and pill addicts are a huge percentage of his patient base. They have a fleet of helicopters that he goes on sometimes to go and get people from out in the sticks...the addict stories are pretty amazing.
The growth heroin in Indiana and Kentucky (and a lot of rural America for that matter) has been a sad, if largely underreported, story. It is ripping through some towns in southern Indiana right now.
Again, on an intellectual level, I support legalization, but it is damn hard to watch what is going on in some of those towns.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:19 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 6/29/14 at 11:24 pm to AbuTheMonkey
I wasn't calling BS, just wondering how you put yourself in position to be aware of local heroin use. I live in a city synonymous with heroin and I couldn't tell you anything about it.
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