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Asian and African performances at the WC / WC spots per federation
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:10 am
The four Asian teams, Australia, Iran, Japan, and SK, finished with a combined total of 3 points earned, no wins, and a -16 GD. All four finished bottom of their respective group.
The five African teams, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, and Algeria, finished with 3 wins, 12 points total, and a -10 GD. Two teams advanced as the 2nd placed team in their group, while two others finished dead last in their respective group. It looks unlikely that an African team will make it to the quarters, as Nigeria will play France and Algeria will play Germany in the round of 16. LINK
Currently, the AFC (Asia) has 4.5 spots at the WC (4 guaranteed and 1 playoff), CAF (Africa) has 5 spots. CONCACAF only has 3.5 guaranteed spots. LINK
This brings me to the point of making this post: Should CONCACAF be awarded 4 spots, with Asia losing their 0.5 extra? Should Africa's allocated spots be changed? The only problem I see with giving CONCACAF 4 guaranteed spots is that there is a significant drop off after Mexico, CR, and the US. That said, it's pretty obvious that Asia doesn't deserve 4.5 spots.
The five African teams, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, and Algeria, finished with 3 wins, 12 points total, and a -10 GD. Two teams advanced as the 2nd placed team in their group, while two others finished dead last in their respective group. It looks unlikely that an African team will make it to the quarters, as Nigeria will play France and Algeria will play Germany in the round of 16. LINK
Currently, the AFC (Asia) has 4.5 spots at the WC (4 guaranteed and 1 playoff), CAF (Africa) has 5 spots. CONCACAF only has 3.5 guaranteed spots. LINK
This brings me to the point of making this post: Should CONCACAF be awarded 4 spots, with Asia losing their 0.5 extra? Should Africa's allocated spots be changed? The only problem I see with giving CONCACAF 4 guaranteed spots is that there is a significant drop off after Mexico, CR, and the US. That said, it's pretty obvious that Asia doesn't deserve 4.5 spots.
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:11 am to cwil177
what are you, racist?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:12 am to cwil177
I will say this, if Australia is gonna be a mainstay at the WC qualifying out of Asia, they deserve fewer spots.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:14 am to cwil177
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Should CONCACAF be awarded 4 spots, with Asia losing their 0.5 extra?
Meh, these results aside, CONCACAF is pretty shitty outside of USA, Mexico & whoever is the flavor of the WCQ cycle (Panama, Costa Rica, Honduras).
3.5 is about right. That said, Asia shouldn't have 4. I also think Oceania, regardless of how shitty it is, should have 1 just because this is the WORLD Cup and every confederation should have representation.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:15 am to cwil177
Plus Nigeria should be thanking Peter O'Leary rather than themselves for qualifying. Can't wait to see what shitshow Qatar will field in 8 years.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:18 am to Broski
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every confederation should have representation.
Save that jibber jabber for the confederations cup. New Zealand had their chance vs Mexico and sucked it up.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:20 am to cwil177
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The only problem I see with giving CONCACAF 4 guaranteed spots is that there is a significant drop off after Mexico, CR, and the US
That's just blatantly untrue.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:22 am to KosmoCramer
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That's just blatantly untrue.
How so?
I'd even argue that there is a fairly significant drop off after USA/Mexico.
It's a shitty confederation.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:22 am to cwil177
I agree. I originally thought the best way to fix it was to take an African spot and give it to Concacaf. But after looking at it, the obvious would be to take away the concacaf playoff with Oceania and make that go to a playoff with Asia. Also take away South America's playoff with Asia.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:24 am to KosmoCramer
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That's just blatantly untrue.
Well all three of those went through while Honduras lost all of their games. Scored only one goal and had a -7 goal differential
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:36 am to Broski
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I'd even argue that there is a fairly significant drop off after USA/Mexico
That's kinda my point. Us and Mexico are clear 1 and 2. After that there are a bunch of teams grouped together. I think Costa Rica's success shows that those mid level CONCACAF teams are at a higher level on the world stage than people give credit for depending on the year. They just don't have a bunch of room for growth.
It shouldn't affect the US from here on out. We should never do worse than 3rd in a hex.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:40 am to KosmoCramer
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. I think Costa Rica's success shows that those mid level CONCACAF teams are at a higher level on the world stage than people give credit for depending on the year.
I think it more shows just how flukey the World Cup can be or that it shows that maybe Costa Rica can start being mentioned in the same breath as USA/Mexico.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:18 am to cwil177
The confederation bids should be looked at from a historical perspective.
We'll start with 1998, the first year of the 32 team format.
1998 (format stays the same as the first entry):
Africa: 5 Automatic Qualifiers, 1 Team in the knockout round, 13 total group stage points
Asia: 3 teams + 1 playoff winner, 0 KR, 5 TP
CONCACAF: 3 teams, 1 KR, 8 TP
2002:
Africa: 5 AQ, 1 KR, 15 TP
Asia: 2 AQ+2 hosts, 2 KR, 14 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ, 2 KR, 15 TP
2006:
Africa: 5 AQ, 1 KR, 12 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (lost in playoffs), 0 KR, 6 TP
CONCACAF:3 AQ + 1 Playoff, 1 KR, 6 TP
2010:
Africa, 5 AQ, 1 KR, 14 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (playoff loser), 2 KR, 14 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ (playoff loser), 2 KR, 10 TP
2014:
Africa: 5 AQ, 2 KR, 12 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (playoff loser), 0 KR, 3 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ+1 Playoff Winner, 3 KR, 16 TP
Totals:
Africa: 25 AQ, 6 KR, 66 TP (2.64 points per team)
Asia: 19 + 1 playoff winner, 4 KR, 42 TP (2.1 PPT)
CONCACAF: 15 + 2 playoff winners, 9 KR, 55 TP (3.24 PPT)
By these highly scientific metrics:
CONCACAF WINS!
We'll start with 1998, the first year of the 32 team format.
1998 (format stays the same as the first entry):
Africa: 5 Automatic Qualifiers, 1 Team in the knockout round, 13 total group stage points
Asia: 3 teams + 1 playoff winner, 0 KR, 5 TP
CONCACAF: 3 teams, 1 KR, 8 TP
2002:
Africa: 5 AQ, 1 KR, 15 TP
Asia: 2 AQ+2 hosts, 2 KR, 14 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ, 2 KR, 15 TP
2006:
Africa: 5 AQ, 1 KR, 12 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (lost in playoffs), 0 KR, 6 TP
CONCACAF:3 AQ + 1 Playoff, 1 KR, 6 TP
2010:
Africa, 5 AQ, 1 KR, 14 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (playoff loser), 2 KR, 14 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ (playoff loser), 2 KR, 10 TP
2014:
Africa: 5 AQ, 2 KR, 12 TP
Asia: 4 AQ (playoff loser), 0 KR, 3 TP
CONCACAF: 3 AQ+1 Playoff Winner, 3 KR, 16 TP
Totals:
Africa: 25 AQ, 6 KR, 66 TP (2.64 points per team)
Asia: 19 + 1 playoff winner, 4 KR, 42 TP (2.1 PPT)
CONCACAF: 15 + 2 playoff winners, 9 KR, 55 TP (3.24 PPT)
By these highly scientific metrics:
CONCACAF WINS!
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:22 am to thenry712
I think the playoffs are good. That way it can help solve the ups and downs these confederations have. That said. Why not have more than one playoff. Take off one of the Guaranteed spots of Asia and have another playoff
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:22 am to Broski
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I'd even argue that there is a fairly significant drop off after USA/Mexico.
It's a shitty confederation.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:22 am to cwil177
It should be adjusted but it probally wont be.
CONCACAF isnt a very strong confederation but it's 3rd behind Europe and South America. So I believe we should have the 3rd most representation.
Usa- we are the current champions and have qualified for 7 straight WC. We advanced from group play 3 out of the last 4 times.
Mexico- the team that trades places back and forth with USMNT for CONCACAF dominance. Qualified for KO rounds 5 straight times. Reigning Olympic champions.
Costa Rica- won their own group of death with 7 points over Uruguay, Italy, and England. There are about 7 out of 19 WC championships between those 3.
Honduras- haven't had true success but are no worse than about 3 african and 3 asian teams. Far superior to an Oceania all star team.
Panama- see Honduras
Jamaica- blew it big time in the final hex but they are still better than New Zealand and Jordan.
Teams absent from the hex are better than some wildcard teams. Canada, El Salvador, and Trinidad and Tobago are as good or better than NZ and Jordan.
CONCACAF isnt a very strong confederation but it's 3rd behind Europe and South America. So I believe we should have the 3rd most representation.
Usa- we are the current champions and have qualified for 7 straight WC. We advanced from group play 3 out of the last 4 times.
Mexico- the team that trades places back and forth with USMNT for CONCACAF dominance. Qualified for KO rounds 5 straight times. Reigning Olympic champions.
Costa Rica- won their own group of death with 7 points over Uruguay, Italy, and England. There are about 7 out of 19 WC championships between those 3.
Honduras- haven't had true success but are no worse than about 3 african and 3 asian teams. Far superior to an Oceania all star team.
Panama- see Honduras
Jamaica- blew it big time in the final hex but they are still better than New Zealand and Jordan.
Teams absent from the hex are better than some wildcard teams. Canada, El Salvador, and Trinidad and Tobago are as good or better than NZ and Jordan.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:23 pm to CyrustheVirus
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I originally thought the best way to fix it was to take an African spot and give it to Concacaf. But after looking at it, the obvious would be to take away the concacaf playoff with Oceania and make that go to a playoff with Asia. Also take away South America's playoff with Asia.
The playoffs are on a rotating basis. CR finished 4th in the Hex in 2010 and had to play Uruguay in the playoff. This time Mexico had to play New Zealand. I think next time we play Asia.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:26 pm to cwil177
I don't think that's correct. I think they switched the CONCACAF playoff to face Oceania because they two strongest 0.5 spots were thought to be CONMEBOL and CONCACAF, and should play Asia and Oceania - and not each other.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:30 pm to cwil177
I wouldn't be in favor of changing too much, since after the big countries in each confederation, the quality is about the same.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:31 pm to cwil177
I also don't understand why Africa has five automatic qualifiers. Why are they excluded from the playoff?
Is it some perceived opinion about Africa being the third best confederation?
Individual African players have been great in Europe, but their respective national teams haven't earned much.
Everything about African football is corrupt.
Is it some perceived opinion about Africa being the third best confederation?
Individual African players have been great in Europe, but their respective national teams haven't earned much.
Everything about African football is corrupt.
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