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Aereo Loses Copyright Fight

Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted by JumpingTheShark
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:37 pm
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Aereo, currently in 11 markets, uses dime-sized antennas to capture over-the-air local TV broadcasts and feed them to users via the Internet. Subscribers pay an $8 monthly fee for the service. For an extra $4, users can get 20 hours of DVR storage, or for $12/month, 60 hours of DVR storage.


Big guys win for now, but they knew they had a threat in the form of Aereo.

ETA: I am a fan of challenging big cables model of paying for channels you don't want. Not necessarily saying I wanted aereo or anything.

Bring on a la carte cable for frick's sake.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted by DirklasDaDirk
St. Martin Parish
Member since Dec 2010
1498 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:39 pm to
Paying for over the air antennea channels is bullshite, glad they lost.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:41 pm to
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Big guys win for now, but they knew they had a threat in the form of Aereo.


So you're upset simply because "the big guys won?" Sounds like a shitty way to frame your point of view.

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Bring on a la carte cable for frick's sake.


Ahh, so you actually have some semblance of an argument based on the merits.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22908 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:42 pm to
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glad they lost.


I am a fan of anyone who tries to let cable companies know that their model is fricked.

Give the people what they want.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80285 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:46 pm to
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Bring on a la carte cable for frick's sake


The only way that would work would be to cap what TV networks can charge per customer. Otherwise, ESPN's fee goes from $5/subscriber to $25/subscriber.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61516 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:48 pm to
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Big guys win for now


Is that really the case? One of the potential ramifications I had heard if Aereo won was the Cable companies would see that as license to do the exact same thing and stop paying your local stations to broadcast their stations over cable.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51910 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 12:57 pm to
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Paying for over the air antennea channels is bullshite, glad they lost.


Huh?


You didn't HAVE to use their service if you saw no value in it. Obviously others did.

So why are you glad they are losing an option?
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58084 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:04 pm to
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Bring on a la carte cable for frick's sake.


I don't know why people don't get this but a la carte cable would be far more expensive in the long run.

If you think you are getting channels like ESPN for less than $100+ a month you are dreaming.

shite, a single PPV SEC game against an FCS school used to run upwards of $50. Now take all the sporting events that are on ESPN and recognize that ESPN would not sell you all that content for cheap.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150765 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:35 pm to
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I don't know why people don't get this but a la carte cable would be far more expensive in the long run.

Exactly. A la carte cable may eventually happen, but not for a whole IMO. And that depends on if different networks stop teaming up with each other. If a la carte cable happens, not only can you expect out the arse for things like ESPN, but you can kiss smaller channels goodbye since they won't generate enough revenue to stay on the air.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22908 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:43 pm to
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shite, a single PPV SEC game against an FCS school used to run upwards of $50


What information are you basing this on?
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7878 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:44 pm to
ESPN delivers advertising, PPV does not, so that's a terrible comparison.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76529 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:46 pm to
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If a la carte cable happens, not only can you expect out the arse for things like ESPN, but you can kiss smaller channels goodbye since they won't generate enough revenue to stay on the air.


The market would weed out TV that people don't watch or want to pay for. Not really a problem, that is part of what bloats cable costs as it is.

What I would see happening is for something like the Big Ten to not renew contracts with ESPN/ABC and instead broadcast all the games on their own network (BTN) and charge a la carte for that.

This could create a huge issue where if each conference did this, it would be a huge cost. But you could see any game you wanted to pay for.

I think the market would figure itself out but as with any major change, there would be severe growing pains.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58084 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:54 pm to
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What information are you basing this on?


the fact that I have bought them before.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29393 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to
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If you think you are getting channels like ESPN for less than $100+ a month you are dreaming.


Why does everyone automatically assume this will happen? In an alacarte model, wouldn't demand dictate the price?
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58084 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to
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The market would weed out TV that people don't watch or want to pay for. Not really a problem, that is part of what bloats cable costs as it is.


This IS a problem. This would stunt creativity and risk taking on TV at a very high rate.

A channel like AMC probably doesn't risk creating shows like Breaking Bad or Mad Men if they don't have the protection of a long term cable carriage deal.

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What I would see happening is for something like the Big Ten to not renew contracts with ESPN/ABC and instead broadcast all the games on their own network (BTN) and charge a la carte for that.

This could create a huge issue where if each conference did this, it would be a huge cost. But you could see any game you wanted to pay for.


The entire reason the BTN is so successful is because its on basic cable deals all throughout their footprint.

If they went a la carte they would be losing hundreds of millions in revenue.

The only way to make it back would be to substantially raise the prices for the channel which is bad for anyone who wants to watch it.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58084 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:00 pm to
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ESPN delivers advertising, PPV does not, so that's a terrible comparison.


ESPN's revenue via advertising is peanuts compared to what they get from subscription fees.

They are not going to just let their revenues get massively slashed without making it back up.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58084 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:07 pm to
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Why does everyone automatically assume this will happen? In an alacarte model, wouldn't demand dictate the price?


b/c they (and the leagues ESPN pays for the broadcast rights) will have to make up for the lost revenue.

if a la carte happens, prices for sports programming will skyrocket for the individual customer b/c the cost will no longer be spread out.

I don't even see how people arguing for a la carte have a legit argument. If you don't want to pay for cable. Don't. Get Netflix and watch what little there is over the air via rabbit ears.

You aren't entitled to cheap entertainment. They shouldn't be forced to sell their entertainment product in a way that is perfectly suited to what you want.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22908 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:20 pm to
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if a la carte happens, prices for sports programming will skyrocket for the individual customer b/c the cost will no longer be spread out.


I do agree that this would happen if companies were simply forced to do a la carte; however, I do not see these Companies being forced to do a la carte without some sort of ceiling on pricing or other regulation, otherwise what would keep them from just charging out the arse?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76529 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:31 pm to
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This IS a problem. This would stunt creativity and risk taking on TV at a very high rate.


AMC wouldn't go belly up. And even if they did, those ideas would be put into use by other stations or in different forms like Netflix, etc.

People are going to start using the Netflix model of original series putting them out a season at a time via streaming. It's the way of the future.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76529 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:34 pm to
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The entire reason the BTN is so successful is because its on basic cable deals all throughout their footprint.


They get a very small fraction of money from each station, which adds up.

If they charged $5 a month of $50 a year, I'd buy that (if they had more games on there) and the ESPN family of networks and call it a day and stream everything else I wanted.

ESPN and others that offer live content are the only providers that have customers over a barrel right now. Every other show can be retrived via the internet whether legally or illegally.

I think ESPN realizes this and is working to get ESPN3 and WatchESPN together to where if they found it economically viable, they would break away from Cable companies all together.
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