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US/Iran/Iraq vs Syria/ISIS
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:49 am
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:49 am
But we wont say we're cooperating with Iran even though we have the same objective...do I have that right?
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:52 am to mpar98
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Syria/ISIS
Well I heard on tv this morning that Syria dropped some bombs on ISIS a day or two ago. Do we even know who the enemy is?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:56 am to mpar98
Iran/LH are supporting the Assad regime in Syria (Shia/Alawite). We're supporting the Syrian Free Army (Sunni) which is ostensibly fighting Iran/LH/Assad as well as ISIL (Sunni).
In Iraq, we're aligned with the Shia government and mulling cooperation with the Shia Iranians/LH (including IRGC-QF, who have quite a bit of US blood on their hands).
It's a bit of a tangle.
In Iraq, we're aligned with the Shia government and mulling cooperation with the Shia Iranians/LH (including IRGC-QF, who have quite a bit of US blood on their hands).
It's a bit of a tangle.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:59 am to Navytiger74
LH?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:01 am to Navytiger74
quote:
It's a bit of a tangle.
A bit?
At this point I feel like our foreign policy strategy in the Middle East is based on mass confusion for all players. What is the USA going to do next?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:02 am to Navytiger74
quote:
It's a bit of a tangle.
Just a bit.
I am going on record - this is not the fault of the Obama administration. This lies solely at the feet of Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki. Through his patronage of the Shia he created the environment for sectarian violence. And his country is paying the price. What little good we had done he has quickly undone.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:07 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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LH?
Lebanese Hizballah (Hezbollah), Iran's most important foreign proxy.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:08 am to Navytiger74
Thanks
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:08 am to Navytiger74
quote:
It's a bit of a tangle.
a quagmire even
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:13 am to Wolfhound45
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Just a bit.
I am going on record - this is not the fault of the Obama administration. This lies solely at the feet of Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki. Through his patronage of the Shia he created the environment for sectarian violence. And his country is paying the price. What little good we had done he has quickly undone.
Like all Americans I have a tendency to believe that there must have been something that we could have done to better consolidate some of the gains from the latter part of the war, but we would have been spinnig our wheels without a willing and pragmatic partner who was willing to account for the aspirations of all of the country's major factions.
Thing is, no matter what we say, we're going to end up more involved in this than most of us would like. We aren't going to leave half of a country in the hands of an organization that was expelled from AQ for being too extreme.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:15 am to Navytiger74
Talk about strange bedfellows.
Leave Israel out of this
Leave Israel out of this
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:16 am to Navytiger74
Nothing we could have done after 2004 would have made a difference. Excluding the Ba'athist and disbanding the Iraqi army sealed that country's fate.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:20 am to Navytiger74
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Like all Americans I have a tendency to believe that there must have been something that we could have done to better consolidate some of the gains from the latter part of the war, but we would have been spinnig our wheels without a willing a pragmatic partner.
I am becoming very cynical regarding the desire of the Iraqi people to live in peace. I never served there (Afghanistan instead) but I do recognize they are a sovereign nation. They are responsible for their own actions. They have to choose to reconcile their religious differences and live together in peace. President Obama cannot make them do that. And Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki is not helping the situation. He is just another Middle Eastern strong man who represents his own narrow interests (in this instance, Shiaism).
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:22 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nothing we could have done after 2004 would have made a difference. Excluding the Ba'athist and disbanding the Iraqi army sealed that country's fate.
Almost certainly the two most critical mistakes made following the success of the initial invasion. Bremer was a clown.
I'm not too sure we couldn't have done something more to apply pressure to the Malaki government while we were still in country. There's really no way for us to conclusively say one way or another.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:24 am to Wolfhound45
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I am becoming very cynical regarding the desire of the Iraqi people to live in peace. I never served there (Afghanistan instead) but I do recognize they are a sovereign nation. They are responsible for their own actions.
I couldn't agree more.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:24 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:It's real simple. Just watch TV and hate who you are told to hate.
Do we even know who the enemy is?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:32 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Just watch only one channel on TV
In watching multiple channels on the subject you pretty much come away with multiple hate.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:34 am to mpar98
The title of the OP is reason enough to get the f@ck out!
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:34 am to mpar98
The title of the OP is reason enough to get the f@ck out!
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:37 am to Navytiger74
The Kurds are/will play an interesting role in all of this as well
the Peshmerga don't mess around and as of right now ISIS aren't messing with them
They may end up being on the sidelines in their own semi-unified territories watching a full blown civil war and then seize their opportunity...
the Peshmerga don't mess around and as of right now ISIS aren't messing with them
They may end up being on the sidelines in their own semi-unified territories watching a full blown civil war and then seize their opportunity...
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