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Military Thread Spin Off - what constitutes a Medal of Honor ?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:30 pm
That's right, I spun off my own thread.
After the Marine was awarded the Medal of Honor last week, I see floating around FB, people promoting for a hero that died while saving his tank crew after it was hit by enemy fire and caught fire. He drug his fellow tank crew members out one by one to safety all the while he was on fire.
He was awarded the Silver Star.
I don't want the Medal of Honor to become something handed out like candy and having the public dictate and promote who should it be awarded to.
I am not trying to downplay what this hero did above, he died saving his fellow soldiers.
After the Marine was awarded the Medal of Honor last week, I see floating around FB, people promoting for a hero that died while saving his tank crew after it was hit by enemy fire and caught fire. He drug his fellow tank crew members out one by one to safety all the while he was on fire.
He was awarded the Silver Star.
I don't want the Medal of Honor to become something handed out like candy and having the public dictate and promote who should it be awarded to.
I am not trying to downplay what this hero did above, he died saving his fellow soldiers.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:32 pm to theantiquetiger
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Silver Cross.
Silver Star?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:33 pm to theantiquetiger
I think I know the instance your talking about. He deserved it. The military awards process is fricked up.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Many times it depends on how well those who put you up write.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:35 pm to northshorebamaman
I saw my flaw before I saw your post. Yes Silver Star.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:35 pm to DanTiger
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Many times it depends on how well those who put you up write.
This
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:37 pm to theantiquetiger
This is going to go off the rails really quickly, just FYI. The military awards system is fricked up beyond all recognition. The rank of the person generally means more than the act or lack thereof that the SM did. My unit had bronze stars passed out to every E-7 and above; the highest medal anyone should have been awarded for our deployment was a DSM, for maybe 2-3 guys. This was in an Inf batt (we were attached as the FSC).
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:39 pm to theantiquetiger
I posted about him awhile back on here... Hopefully one day he gets his.
Side note have you heard about the army guy that will be awarded CMOH? Mother fricker resorted to throwing rocks at the enemy. Badass story.
Side note have you heard about the army guy that will be awarded CMOH? Mother fricker resorted to throwing rocks at the enemy. Badass story.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:41 pm to DanTiger
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Many times it depends on how well those who put you up write.
I can almost asure you no Lt. is writing CMOH citations.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:43 pm to brass2mouth
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I can almost asure you no Lt. is writing CMOH citations without 2-3 field grades revising everything 6-7 times
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:43 pm to theantiquetiger
"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as..."
I'm pretty sure this is how every MOH citation starts. Witness statements have a lot to do with who is awarded the MOH.
I'm pretty sure this is how every MOH citation starts. Witness statements have a lot to do with who is awarded the MOH.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:56 pm to White Roach
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:31 pm to brass2mouth
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I can almost asure you no Lt. is writing CMOH citations.
I would agree. Generally the enlisted in ones platoon would write the citation as far as I know and it moves up the chain of command. If the initial statement is written poorly it can likely screw the possible recipient because REMFs in the back are going to decide whether to push it forward or not.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:34 pm to theantiquetiger
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I don't want the Medal of Honor to become something handed out like candy and having the public dictate and promote who should it be awarded to.
That's basically what it was when it was first created.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:48 pm to wadewilson
Yep, that's why you see a bunch of dudes from WWI and prior with 2 MOHs. Then they came out with all the other medals and the MOH remained at the top.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
There were probably as many MOH recipients in the Civil War than in all other engagements combined.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:46 pm to wadewilson
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There were probably as many MOH recipients in the Civil War than in all other engagements combined.
It was the only medal for valor back then.
Even then, the sheer scope of the conflict is staggering today - 63 awards at Gettysburg, alone.
Many of them involved retaining or capturing colors.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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It was the only medal for valor back then.
Not only valor. The honor guard for Lincoln's funeral procession all received the MoH.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:54 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yep, that's why you see a bunch of dudes from WWI and prior with 2 MOHs. Then they came out with all the other medals and the MOH remained at the top.
From Wiki:
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Since the Medal of Honor was established, 19 recipients have received it twice, of whom 5 received both awards during World War I.[9] These 5 men were all Marines who received both the Army and Navy versions of the Medal of Honor for the same action. This was made possible by the practice of attaching some units of the U.S. Marine Corps, a part of the Department of the Navy, to larger U.S. Army commands, making Marines in such units eligible for both Army and Navy decorations. Of the other three Marines who earned the Medal of Honor during World War I, two were awarded only the Navy version and one, Fred W. Stockham, received only the Army version.[10] In February 1919, the criteria for the award were amended to state that no person could receive more than one Medal of Honor, thus precluding any future double recipients.[11]
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While the Medal of Honor is now the highest military decoration attainable by a member of the United States armed forces, during the Civil War, it was the only one. Thus, it was often awarded for reasons that would not now satisfy the stringent modern criteria. For example, Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton promised a Medal of Honor to every man in the 27th Maine Volunteer Infantry Regiment who extended his enlistment. 311 accepted, but because there was no official list of their names, the War Department issued 864 - one for each man in the unit. In 1916, a board consisting of five retired generals reviewed Army awards and recommended that these 864, as well as others, be revoked.
Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded to date, 1522 were awarded during the American Civil War
And remember that is only for the Union side.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:06 pm to cokebottleag
That shite where every PSG and PL get a bronze star just for doing a deployment really chaps my arse. I feel like it takes away from those that earned it the right way.
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