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Spin off re: common core ..tracking
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:43 pm
I don't know much about common core. I don't care. But a big left/right educational issue is tracking.
Tracking means separating high IQ students from low IQ students at an early age.
The anti-tracking crowd says that stupid kids will learn more when they are in a class with smart kids.
The pro-tracking crowd says that smart kids get bored and act up when surrounded by stupid kids.
Thoughts?
Tracking means separating high IQ students from low IQ students at an early age.
The anti-tracking crowd says that stupid kids will learn more when they are in a class with smart kids.
The pro-tracking crowd says that smart kids get bored and act up when surrounded by stupid kids.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:47 pm to Zach
I think both sides are right.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:49 pm to Zach
You don't need to separate them.
Just stop teaching to and catering to the bottom 1/3 of the class and make learning more independent.
Just stop teaching to and catering to the bottom 1/3 of the class and make learning more independent.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:49 pm to Zach
quote:
The anti-tracking crowd says that stupid kids will learn more when they are in a class with smart kids.
The pro-tracking crowd says that smart kids get bored and act up when surrounded by stupid kids.
Thoughts?
People are much more likely to dumb down than smart up.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:50 pm to AGoodTexan
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Just stop teaching to and catering to the bottom 1/3 of the class and make learning more independent.
Why are you so racist/sexist/(insert random social buzzword here)-ist?
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:54 pm to AGoodTexan
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You don't need to separate them.
Just stop teaching to and catering to the bottom 1/3 of the class and make learning more independent.
This is spot on. Maybe we just need less standardization and more personalization in schools.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:00 pm to Zach
There are so many more problems with education right now than tracking.
I could go all day talking about it.
I'll just say this about tracking.
When I was in my education classes in undergrad, we used to discuss things like tracking and we would all clamor about how terrible it was and what an injustice it was.
Then, when we started doing our student teaching in an actual classroom, we all started saying "yeah, I can see why tracking exists."
I could go all day talking about it.
I'll just say this about tracking.
When I was in my education classes in undergrad, we used to discuss things like tracking and we would all clamor about how terrible it was and what an injustice it was.
Then, when we started doing our student teaching in an actual classroom, we all started saying "yeah, I can see why tracking exists."
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:01 pm to UGATiger26
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Then, when we started doing our student teaching in an actual classroom, we all started saying "yeah, I can see why tracking exists."
Explain.
Edit: Not a troll, I'm curious to why you feel that way.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:05 pm to elprez00
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Explain.
Theory meets reality.
Some kids either pick things up more quickly or they just care more.
When you've got a classroom where half the students want to do well and learn, and the other half doesn't care, it's a recipe for frustration and disillusion.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:09 pm to The Spleen
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I think both sides are right.
This. Maybe minimal tracking to a certain age (junior high?) and then ruthlessly track.
Dunno really.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:24 pm to Zach
Doesn't Sweden sort of do this? I don't think it is necessarily at an early age, but I am pretty sure that once they are about the go to high school, they are separated into a higher education group and a vocational career path group.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:39 pm to UGATiger26
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When you've got a classroom where half the students want to do well and learn, and the other half doesn't care, it's a recipe for frustration and disillusion.
I understand and agree completely.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:43 pm to Zach
Good way to teach kids that there are winners and losers in life.
Keep them in the same classroom and teach the curriculum. If they can't keep up, they can fail.
You think I kept that administrative assistant that couldn't do basic Excel even though she claimed to be an expert on her resume around? Nope. Gave her a chance to keep up and she couldn't. Go do monogramming out of your house.
Keep them in the same classroom and teach the curriculum. If they can't keep up, they can fail.
You think I kept that administrative assistant that couldn't do basic Excel even though she claimed to be an expert on her resume around? Nope. Gave her a chance to keep up and she couldn't. Go do monogramming out of your house.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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separated into a higher education group and a vocational career path group.
This would be a huge improvement to not only our educational system, but people in general. I know at my high school, "vocational" was almost a bad word. Guidance counselors never presented Vo-tech as a legitimate option.
I personally feel that this path is specifically encouraged by the fact that Colleges make a ton of money off of taxpayer funded scholarships from people that would be better served by pursuing a vocational career.
As someone that works in construction, I can tell you there is a desperate shortage in qualified vocational trades. Those careers are essential to our everyday lives, and most people don't even realize it. There is nothing wrong with learning a trade; it should be celebrated by high schools, not ignored.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:44 pm to elprez00
Also, putting the driven smarter students in classes together drives competition as well.
When I was in high school, we were pretty well grouped together. There was a core group of about 15 of us at my school that were taking our math and sciences at a grade level above. Naturally we were always in the same classes.
Most of the time, when I got grouped in a class that wasn't "tracked", the teachers would hand out busy work, worksheets and whatnot and I'd usually just sleep on my desk out of boredom.
When I was in high school, we were pretty well grouped together. There was a core group of about 15 of us at my school that were taking our math and sciences at a grade level above. Naturally we were always in the same classes.
Most of the time, when I got grouped in a class that wasn't "tracked", the teachers would hand out busy work, worksheets and whatnot and I'd usually just sleep on my desk out of boredom.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:51 pm to elprez00
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As someone that works in construction, I can tell you there is a desperate shortage in qualified vocational trades. Those careers are essential to our everyday lives, and most people don't even realize it. There is nothing wrong with learning a trade; it should be celebrated by high schools, not ignored.
Indeed. it's f'd up. It truly is.
We are stuck in this notion that EVERYONE should go to college, and that it's the ONLY way to succeed in life.
It's such BS. With college education becoming more watered down every day, a university degree means less and less.
That's why masters degrees are the new bachelors.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 1:52 pm to UGATiger26
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We are stuck in this notion that EVERYONE should go to college, and that it's the ONLY way to succeed in life.
And the cost continues to increase every day.
I hate to think what school is going to cost when my kids are ready.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 2:02 pm to Zach
I believe in tracking, but not based on IQ. It should be based on performance.
Help the cream rise to the top.
Help the cream rise to the top.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:14 pm to mauser
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I believe in tracking, but not based on IQ. It should be based on performance.
Where does performance start? I did not go to K because it did not exist in my home town back in the early 50s. I started school in 1st grade.
There were 2 classes. Mrs. Moon and Mrs. Veazey. Each class had 20 students. After just two weeks there came a change.
Mrs. Veazey came into our class (Mrs. Moon's) and told 5 students to get up and walk to her class. Mrs. Moon went to her class and told 5 students to get up and walk into our class.
By 5th grade I realized what happened. The 5 kids moved out of my class were the dumbest kids in the class.. The 5 kids moved into my class were the smartest.
How these teachers realized who was smart and stupid in 2 weeks is beyond me. But they were very old ladies and they knew a lot about 1st graders.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:20 pm to Zach
I hated waiting around for the stupid kids to catch up when I was in a school too small to have a calss full of smart ones.
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