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ISIS has Baghdad surrounded on 3 sides, controls water supplies
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:23 am
shite is getting real over in Iraq.
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Why win a battle in the streets of Iraq when you can cut off their water supplies?
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It is not clear at the time of writing whether ISIS will launch a military attack on Baghdad, or even if it could take the heavily armed city in a pitched battle.
But it may not need to. Iraq is ancient Mesopotamia, the once-fertile floodplain of the Tigris and Euphrates that cradled the first human civilisation. The rivers remain crucial to the farming on which most Iraqis depend, according to a report by the International Centre for Agricultural Research on the Dry Areas, which was once based in Aleppo, Syria, but has now decamped to Amman in Jordan to avoid fighting.
ISIS now controls several major dams on the rivers, for instance at Haditha and Samarra. It also holds one 30 kilometres north of Mosul that was built on fragile rock and poses a risk of collapse. It holds at least 8 billion cubic metres of water.
Why win a battle in the streets of Iraq when you can cut off their water supplies?
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:27 am to teke184
apparently the volunteers haven't assembled fast enough. Don't they outnumber ISIS by 10:1 or some crazy number? It's hard to imagine such a relatively small force could take over Baghdad as well as keeping the cities to the north occupied. They'd all have to converge on Baghdad simultaneously one would think.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:27 am to teke184
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controls water supplies
good way to piss off an armed population
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:29 am to idlewatcher
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apparently the volunteers haven't assembled fast enough. Don't they outnumber ISIS by 10:1 or some crazy number?
The Iraqi army outnumbered those frickers by a large amount. They did their impression of the French army when they saw them coming, which left thousands of green recruits to get executed if they were caught and happened to be Shi'ite instead of Sunni.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:30 am to idlewatcher
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apparently the volunteers haven't assembled fast enough. Don't they outnumber ISIS by 10:1 or some crazy number?
This is what I don't understand. I am constantly told by Islam apologist on here that the majority of the Muslim people want peace. So we have the Iraqi army outnumbering ISIS by 10 to 1 and instead of fighting them and taking them out, they throw down their weapons and run? Why aren't they willing to fight to keep the radical element out if that's really what they want?
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:30 am to StraightCashHomey21
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good way to piss off an armed population
The armed population would have to get off their asses, attack, and succeed before their supplies ran out. They'd also have to hope that the terrorists don't destroy the dams on their retreat, flooding Baghdad.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:32 am to idlewatcher
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apparently the volunteers haven't assembled fast enough. Don't they outnumber ISIS by 10:1 or some crazy number?
It's hard to imagine such a relatively small force could take over Baghdad as well as keeping the cities to the north occupied. They'd all have to converge on Baghdad simultaneously one would think.
It's very simple: a disciplined, determined force will always win out against one that is undisciplined with low morale. Simply put, the Iraqi army doesn't want to fight. They hate their president as well and only remain at their posts as long as they think the regime might win out. If they stay at their posts and ISIS wins, they are beheaded or killed in the fighting. If they run away, they will most likely live. The regime is incredibly corrupt and has stoked this sectarian violence from the beginning, and cranked it up to 11 after the U.S. withdrawal.
Simply put, the Iraqi army lacks the want to win.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:32 am to Revelator
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Why aren't they willing to fight to keep the radical element out if that's really what they want?
From what I understand, Maliki did his best impression of Nasser and put people in place based upon loyalty rather than competence.
That played a large part in how the Israelis fricked them up so badly in the Six Day War.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:33 am to Revelator
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This is what I don't understand. I am constantly told by Islam apologist on here that the majority of the Muslim people want peace. So we have the Iraqi army outnumbering ISIS by 10 to 1 and instead of fighting them and taking them out, they throw down their weapons and run? Why aren't they willing to fight to keep the radical element out if that's really what they want?
B/c they are not properly trained. They are equipped but have no idea what to do in a firefight. Some of their best leaders were kicked out for political reason. This is basic military understanding and has nothing to do with Islam but use it to push your agenda any way you can.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:33 am to teke184
the volunteers are going to get slaughtered. It doesn't matter if they outnumber them 10 to 1. They are going to need major help to not get absolutely destroyed.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:33 am to teke184
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The armed population would have to get off their asses, attack, and succeed before their supplies ran out. They'd also have to hope that the terrorists don't destroy the dams on their retreat, flooding Baghdad.
It will be fight and die or do nothing and die. Its a fricked up situation.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:35 am to teke184
quote:Sounds like an invitation for a little incineration from the air.
ISIS has Baghdad surrounded on 3 sides, controls water supplies
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:36 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It will be fight and die or do nothing and die. Its a fricked up situation.
Yes it is.
Hopefully necessity is the mother of invention and Iraq finds a way to pull this off successfully.
For instance, I figure that the Kurds could buy a LOT of control over the rest of the country if they managed to break the ISIS siege of Baghdad.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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they are not properly trained.
How many years did we stay there training and arming them? This is a very lame excuse.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:37 am to Revelator
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This is a very lame excuse
We did train them. But Maliki kicked out all the officers that he didn't like.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:38 am to teke184
Again - the result of putting poseurs and dilettantes in positions of high responsibility.
The current foreign policy and national security team of the United States is probably the weakest ever - in 227 years, certainly since January 19, 1981.
Failure after failure after failure. Reality must be racist.
The current foreign policy and national security team of the United States is probably the weakest ever - in 227 years, certainly since January 19, 1981.
Failure after failure after failure. Reality must be racist.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:38 am to Revelator
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How many years did we stay there training and arming them? This is a very lame excuse.
We trained their guys how to do counter-insurgency stuff, not open battlefield fighting.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:39 am to Revelator
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This is a very lame excuse.
The truth is not an excuse once again you will use anything to shite talk Islam.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:39 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We did train them. But Maliki kicked out all the officers that he didn't like.
So that leaves us with two options. Stay there continually or constantly intervene every time they get in trouble. Or, stay completely out and let them fight their own civil wars.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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But Maliki kicked out all the officers that he didn't like.
Yup and with no properly trained and experienced leaders to direct them its a shite show.
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