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Question about wiring light switch (PIC)
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:50 am
First time ever trying to hook anything electrical related and I'm trying not to kill myself. I went to take this switch off to put a dimmer on. When I took the plate off, I noticed the copper wires are not connected to the green screw. Instead, they appear to just be bundled together (3 light switch panel). House is only 15 years old (just got it) so I'm not sure. The dimmer has a green wire to attach to the copper to ground. Do I need to unwind that bundle and wrap the other 2 around the green screw?
It was late so I didn't get a chance to look at the other switches in the house.
It was late so I didn't get a chance to look at the other switches in the house.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:52 am to LETSGEAUX2
Isn't the green just a ground connection?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:52 am to LETSGEAUX2
Prior to electrical work, make sure to follow the golden rule of electricity, that is double check to ensure that power is on and you're standing in a bucket of water.
Green screw is grounding connection. Proceed with caution.
Green screw is grounding connection. Proceed with caution.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:53 am to LETSGEAUX2
horrible picture...
what color wires do you have in the wall?
what color wires do you have in the wall?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:53 am to Prominentwon
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Isn't the green just a ground connection?
Yes but I thought the copper wires were supposed to be wrapped around the green screw?
Believe me, power was off.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:55 am to LETSGEAUX2
green wire or bare copper wires would be a ground.
The switch should be grounded via that green screw.
Black and white wires are the ones you want to put in your mouth to test the circuit
The switch should be grounded via that green screw.
Black and white wires are the ones you want to put in your mouth to test the circuit
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:57 am to Shexter
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what color wires do you have in the wall?
Will have to double check but I think 1 ea. black, white, red.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:59 am to Shexter
So that bundle of copper wire in the back of the box there needs to be unwound and grounded to all 3 screws?
And probably every other fixture in the house.
And probably every other fixture in the house.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:59 am to LETSGEAUX2
attach the bare wire to the green screw. this is a ground wire
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:02 am to trident
Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:09 am to LETSGEAUX2
Felt they didn't need too. I just replaced my moms security lights outside. The old lights, the green wire was attached to a small screw on the brace the light was screwed to, and inside the outlet box was a bare wire, ground, just rolled up inside with nothing attached. So I attached it to the ground from the new lights. Not an elctrician by no means.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:10 am to LETSGEAUX2
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Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?
NBot everything needs to be grounded. It could be a GFI breaker in your breaker box or the previous switch didnt have a ground screw.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:15 am to LETSGEAUX2
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Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?
To connect them together ......op call an electrician now and you might save yourself some $$$$$$
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:21 am to tigerswin03
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op call an electrician now and you might save yourself some $$$$$$
do it yourself and learn something. Waste of money to call an electrician to install light switches
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:25 am to LETSGEAUX2
They typically twist them all together to make up all the grounds. Currently in LA now in residential a crimped copper band is also required. 15 years ago not so. Regardless of time the devices (switches, receptacles, dimmers, etc.) are required to be grounded to meet code.
Let's say you have 4 bare copper wires. Leave one much longer than the rest and then twist all 4 together. Then take the long one and loop it around the green screw at each switch. You're done.
The only thing they didn't do was ground the switch. Poor workmanship yes but not the most dangerous situation either. Every time you use a device with a 2 wire plug you are handling an "un-grounded" appliance. Most of those are encased in plastic though so they require no ground.
Now, if they didn't ground your receptacles that would be much more hazardous and I would go ahead and check that. Get a cheap 3 prong tester ($10-15) and you can check all of the plugs without taking the cover plates off. I'd be shocked if you didn't have some more missing grounds or loose neutrals elsewhere.
Considering they have people doing Residential electrical for a few dollars per SF this is the kind of workmanship you get.
Hope this helps.
Let's say you have 4 bare copper wires. Leave one much longer than the rest and then twist all 4 together. Then take the long one and loop it around the green screw at each switch. You're done.
The only thing they didn't do was ground the switch. Poor workmanship yes but not the most dangerous situation either. Every time you use a device with a 2 wire plug you are handling an "un-grounded" appliance. Most of those are encased in plastic though so they require no ground.
Now, if they didn't ground your receptacles that would be much more hazardous and I would go ahead and check that. Get a cheap 3 prong tester ($10-15) and you can check all of the plugs without taking the cover plates off. I'd be shocked if you didn't have some more missing grounds or loose neutrals elsewhere.
Considering they have people doing Residential electrical for a few dollars per SF this is the kind of workmanship you get.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am to LETSGEAUX2
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So that bundle of copper wire in the back of the box there needs to be unwound and grounded to all 3 screws?
No only the green screw ..... Pig tail or twist all the bare copper wires together , leave one long enough to attach to the green wire on your dimmer ( if they have one ) then connect the other two wires that are on your switch to your dimmer , if you have a three way there you will need a three way dimmer and some one to hook it up .....
Just going by your questions you shouldn't be doing electrical work ......
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:39 am to tigerswin03
You may be right but you misunderstood my statement. I have 3 switches in that panel so yes, I meant all 3 green screws - not all the screws on one switch.
Andy, I will get one but I believe they were all tested during the home inspection.
Andy, I will get one but I believe they were all tested during the home inspection.
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