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Question about wiring light switch (PIC)

Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:50 am
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:50 am
First time ever trying to hook anything electrical related and I'm trying not to kill myself. I went to take this switch off to put a dimmer on. When I took the plate off, I noticed the copper wires are not connected to the green screw. Instead, they appear to just be bundled together (3 light switch panel). House is only 15 years old (just got it) so I'm not sure. The dimmer has a green wire to attach to the copper to ground. Do I need to unwind that bundle and wrap the other 2 around the green screw?

It was late so I didn't get a chance to look at the other switches in the house.



Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:52 am to
Isn't the green just a ground connection?
Posted by SetTheMood
The Red Stick
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:52 am to
Prior to electrical work, make sure to follow the golden rule of electricity, that is double check to ensure that power is on and you're standing in a bucket of water.

Green screw is grounding connection. Proceed with caution.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:53 am to
horrible picture...
what color wires do you have in the wall?
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
461 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Isn't the green just a ground connection?


Yes but I thought the copper wires were supposed to be wrapped around the green screw?

Believe me, power was off.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:55 am to
green wire or bare copper wires would be a ground.
The switch should be grounded via that green screw.

Black and white wires are the ones you want to put in your mouth to test the circuit
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 8:56 am
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
461 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:57 am to
quote:

what color wires do you have in the wall?


Will have to double check but I think 1 ea. black, white, red.
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
461 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:59 am to
So that bundle of copper wire in the back of the box there needs to be unwound and grounded to all 3 screws?

And probably every other fixture in the house.
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
4750 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:59 am to
attach the bare wire to the green screw. this is a ground wire
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
461 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:02 am to
Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
15846 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:09 am to
Felt they didn't need too. I just replaced my moms security lights outside. The old lights, the green wire was attached to a small screw on the brace the light was screwed to, and inside the outlet box was a bare wire, ground, just rolled up inside with nothing attached. So I attached it to the ground from the new lights. Not an elctrician by no means.
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
4750 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:10 am to
quote:

Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?


NBot everything needs to be grounded. It could be a GFI breaker in your breaker box or the previous switch didnt have a ground screw.
Posted by tigerswin03
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Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Why would they have bundled them like this instead of attaching them?


To connect them together ......op call an electrician now and you might save yourself some $$$$$$
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
4750 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:21 am to
quote:

op call an electrician now and you might save yourself some $$$$$$


do it yourself and learn something. Waste of money to call an electrician to install light switches
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7547 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:25 am to
They typically twist them all together to make up all the grounds. Currently in LA now in residential a crimped copper band is also required. 15 years ago not so. Regardless of time the devices (switches, receptacles, dimmers, etc.) are required to be grounded to meet code.

Let's say you have 4 bare copper wires. Leave one much longer than the rest and then twist all 4 together. Then take the long one and loop it around the green screw at each switch. You're done.

The only thing they didn't do was ground the switch. Poor workmanship yes but not the most dangerous situation either. Every time you use a device with a 2 wire plug you are handling an "un-grounded" appliance. Most of those are encased in plastic though so they require no ground.

Now, if they didn't ground your receptacles that would be much more hazardous and I would go ahead and check that. Get a cheap 3 prong tester ($10-15) and you can check all of the plugs without taking the cover plates off. I'd be shocked if you didn't have some more missing grounds or loose neutrals elsewhere.

Considering they have people doing Residential electrical for a few dollars per SF this is the kind of workmanship you get.

Hope this helps.
Posted by tigerswin03
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Member since Jan 2009
4715 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am to
quote:

So that bundle of copper wire in the back of the box there needs to be unwound and grounded to all 3 screws?


No only the green screw ..... Pig tail or twist all the bare copper wires together , leave one long enough to attach to the green wire on your dimmer ( if they have one ) then connect the other two wires that are on your switch to your dimmer , if you have a three way there you will need a three way dimmer and some one to hook it up .....
Just going by your questions you shouldn't be doing electrical work ......
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am
Posted by LETSGEAUX2
Member since Oct 2012
461 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:39 am to
You may be right but you misunderstood my statement. I have 3 switches in that panel so yes, I meant all 3 green screws - not all the screws on one switch.

Andy, I will get one but I believe they were all tested during the home inspection.
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