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Have you noticed how the left and Obama ram trough unpopular policies?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:38 am
Obamacare. Mostly unpopular but Obama and his minions carry on.
Amnesty. I posted a poll yesterday and amnesty only gets 34% support from HISPANICS. It's hugely unpopular but Obama (with the help of Chamber of Commerce Republicans) carry on.
Gay Marriage. Has gay marriage ever got popular support from any state? So it takes progressive judges to carve out a path to gay marriage despite the will of the people.
Climate Change. Despite failing to pass carbon credits Obama is doing a run-around congress to regulate the coal industry into extinction.
Then we have the Bergdahl situation where he spikes the football in the Rose Garden seemingly to tweak the military and congress (by breaking the law).
Can the left though Obama or Obama himself bring himself to do anything that a majority of Americans agree upon so he doesn't have to be so conniving to get his initiatives through?
Maybe he's doing things that Americans agree on, but he's just not talking about them. If so, you would think Obama would toot his horn a little to get his poll numbers up.
Amnesty. I posted a poll yesterday and amnesty only gets 34% support from HISPANICS. It's hugely unpopular but Obama (with the help of Chamber of Commerce Republicans) carry on.
Gay Marriage. Has gay marriage ever got popular support from any state? So it takes progressive judges to carve out a path to gay marriage despite the will of the people.
Climate Change. Despite failing to pass carbon credits Obama is doing a run-around congress to regulate the coal industry into extinction.
Then we have the Bergdahl situation where he spikes the football in the Rose Garden seemingly to tweak the military and congress (by breaking the law).
Can the left though Obama or Obama himself bring himself to do anything that a majority of Americans agree upon so he doesn't have to be so conniving to get his initiatives through?
Maybe he's doing things that Americans agree on, but he's just not talking about them. If so, you would think Obama would toot his horn a little to get his poll numbers up.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:53 am to GumboPot
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Can the left though Obama or Obama himself bring himself to do anything that a majority of Americans agree upon so he doesn't have to be so conniving to get his initiatives through?
Politicians are scared to death to work with the other side on bold issues because they don't want to be branded as "catering to the other side" by their bases. It sickens me how Presidents act that just because they win an election, that just means they have a mandate. Its as if they just dismiss the 40+% of the population that didn't vote for them.
I'm not a show me a birth certificate and tell the truth about Benghazi Obama hater. I just think he's failed as leader. He's made no effort to transcend being the leader of his party when he had the opportunity to win goodwill from his opponents. For instance, when he "evolved" on Gay Marraige, he could've been a bridge to both sides. Instead, he just used the issue as a wedge. When the BP Oil Spill happened, he vacationed in Martha's Vineyard instead of the Gulf...which would've really helped the economy down there in a number of ways.
Obama never lived up to being that tranformational figure. He's no different than any other politician....and that's what the Republicans failed to emphasize about him in the 2012 election.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:58 am to GumboPot
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Gay Marriage. Has gay marriage ever got popular support from any state?
Yes. Same sex marriage was passed by popular vote in Maryland, Washington, and Maine.
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So it takes progressive judges to carve out a path to gay marriage despite the will of the people.
If I'm not mistaken most of the judges that have overturned same sex marriage bans were not appointed by Obama or the "left".
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:01 am to GumboPot
Obama other Leftists are most comfy with authoritarian methods of governance.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:02 am to FairhopeTider
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When the BP Oil Spill happened, he vacationed in Martha's Vineyard instead of the Gulf...which would've really helped the economy down there in a number of ways.
The requirements for a Presidential visit anywhere are such a pain in the arse that a lot of individuals and businesses HATE IT when the President, First Lady, or their kids visit.
For instance, Secret Service crowd control rules mean that no one can come in or leave a business while the President is there, meaning that there is potentially a lot of lost business while the First Lady is picking through lobsters in the tank.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:09 am to teke184
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Can the left though Obama or Obama himself bring himself to do anything that a majority of Americans agree upon so he doesn't have to be so conniving to get his initiatives through?
My point is that instead of vacationing at the Gulf and helping battle the misperceptions that were killing the tourism industry, he chose to ride bikes around Martha's Vineyard.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:10 am to GumboPot
One can put all the blame on Obama for doing things unilaterally, but doing so ignores the united and absolute opposition he faces from republicans on nearly everything, and the role partisan politics plays in shaping public opinion.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:24 am to FairhopeTider
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He's made no effort to transcend being the leader of his party when he had the opportunity to win goodwill from his opponents.
With the language that Obama uses in his speeches it's impossible to garner goodwill of the other side or the majority of the people. He persist in telling the people what the GOP believes in basically setting up a strawman. Then he subsequently tears down the strawman. The tactic is so divisive and he seems unable to prevent himself from using it.
There is no positive energy that come through. There is no optimism. It's always, this is what I want to do and you're in my way. There is no reaching out to the other side to build on initiatives that are agreeable. The guy dwells in negativity and adversarial relationships constantly agitating. He doesn't seem like a fun and inspiring person to be around.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:25 am to Green Chili Tiger
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If I'm not mistaken most of the judges that have overturned same sex marriage bans were not appointed by Obama or the "left".
Progressive also reside in the GOP. GWB is a good example.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:29 am to FairhopeTider
quote:I doubt that where Obama vacations has any effect on the local economy. Also, there is a reason that presidents often vacation in large resorts / estates that are fairly isolated from regular traffic.
When the BP Oil Spill happened, he vacationed in Martha's Vineyard instead of the Gulf...which would've really helped the economy down there in a number of ways.
quote:How was the issue used as a "wedge" and realistically, what chance did he have of winning good will from the Republican Party?
I just think he's failed as leader. He's made no effort to transcend being the leader of his party when he had the opportunity to win goodwill from his opponents. For instance, when he "evolved" on Gay Marraige, he could've been a bridge to both sides. Instead, he just used the issue as a wedge.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:31 am to Zed
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One can put all the blame on Obama for doing things unilaterally, but doing so ignores the united and absolute opposition he faces from republicans on nearly everything, and the role partisan politics plays in shaping public opinion.
The president has more responsibility for reaching out the the opposition. He is the president. He is the LEADER. He is supposed to be the guy to create a path to solutions. Instead Obama seems so wrapped up in his ideology that he literally looks at people with a differing opinions as the enemy. It's almost childish. It's definitely immature.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:32 am to GumboPot
quote:Kinduv like the Political Parties do?
Instead Obama seems so wrapped up in his ideology that he literally looks at people with a differing opinions as the enemy. It's almost childish. It's definitely immature.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:32 am to GumboPot
It's perfectly in keeping with their motto:
'By any means necessary.'
'By any means necessary.'
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:33 am to GumboPot
And when the Republicans get a chance they make sure not to ruffle any feathers so they give in the the Democrats. While the Dems take the torch and sprint to the left. We need someone to take the torch back to the right!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:36 am to mmcgrath
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I doubt that where Obama vacations has any effect on the local economy.
I know that the actual visit wouldn't produce an economic benefit. I'm more referring to helping battle the misperception of oil being everywhere that discouraged so many people from visting the area.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:40 am to tigerfootball10
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And when the Republicans get a chance they make sure not to ruffle any feathers so they give in the the Democrats.
That's because the Republicans want the press to like them. That will never happen.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:41 am to mmcgrath
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How was the issue used as a "wedge" and realistically, what chance did he have of winning good will from the Republican Party?
He used the issue to energize support from his base. It was nothing more than a campaign strategy. He made no effort to bridge the sides together when he had a golden opportunity to. He could've set an example to both sides and maybe it would've prevented so much of the anger we see surrounding the issue.
But that's all semantics. The point remains that Obama..and other politicians...are too scared, too prideful, or too ignorant to gain support from their opposition. That said though, the bases of both parties make the situation worse.
Its ironic...Obama shot to fame because of his 2004 DNC Speech where he advocated that we shouldn't look at things through red and blue glasses. Now, that Obama is nowhere to be found. He's constantly creating divides instead of healing them.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:02 pm to GumboPot
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So it takes progressive judges to carve out a path to gay marriage despite the will of the people.
Instead of being a sound bite the tea party, why don't you say why you think these judges are wrong? We've decided rightly or wrongly that the constitution > the will of the people unless the will of the people amend the constitution.
Until then, as the judges have ruled, there is no legitimate government interest in limiting certain people the right and benefits of marriage.
Plus i believe same-sex marriage has more support than not in this country now. over 50%
but yes. same-sex marriage is unpopular
then 70% think gov't should limit emissions from existing power plants
59% say climate change is a very serious problem
63% would pay a higher electric bill to limit greenhouse gases.
Fed gov't should require states to limit greenhouse gases
on Amnesty, it might not be popular but maybe, like Reagan, he thinks he has little choice and in the end, will be better. Plus it is not that unpopular, as polls indicate, if you couple it with tighter boarder control. Hispanic support is up to around 60% i believe if you put the two together
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