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Houston - rent or buy

Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted by lsubandmom
Houston/Lafayette
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:32 pm
I feel like I know the market fairly well in Louisiana but my youngest has moved to Houston and is wanting to buy inside the loop. Prices are through the roof and townhouses are getting multiple offers. Someone in another thread mentioned this and thinks the market will eventually collapse. I'm a bit concerned about this too. Nothing under $350,000 stays on the market for more than a couple of days, although there is tons of new construction. Also, rent in a nice area for a 1 bedroom is about $2000/month. Any thoughts from someone more familiar with the Houston market.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80151 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:56 pm to
shite is cray right now... Multiple offer on units and above asking price.

As for a collapse, unless the energy industry collapses, Houston real estate inside of the loop will be just fine.

But he would def be getting in at the top and could see some pull back In the future.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:00 pm to
That market isn't going to collapse anytime soon but it is a bubble and no one knows how much more that bubble will push up prices. There is no 100% correct answer as to buy or wait because of this.

As 81 said though I just don't see it collapsing anytime soon. If price do drop it would probably be a soft landing unless a huge energy market crash happens.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:43 pm to
I've got a townhome opening up in August for $2300/month. So def don't buy, rent!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:10 pm to
Where does the kid work? People want to live in the Loop if they work in the Loop, because the drive in from the suburbs is damn near inhumane.

Absent another major national recession... I would not worry too much about a collapse in prices. They could trend downward at some point. But they are not making any new land inside the loop. As long as they continue to build new office towers downtown, and as long as the TMC continues to grow... prices will be there.

I will say that Houston has really diversified their econony since the oil bust. And if they keep having 100K people move there each year... they can't build fast enough to keep up the demand.
Posted by NOFLyZ0ne28
West Florida
Member since Apr 2014
876 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:10 am to
DNB a townhome, unless it's a 2nd home. IMO. If he wants a townhome just rent one.
Posted by sdc74
Houston
Member since Jan 2007
1194 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:32 am to
Why not buy a townhouse? I bought one for $350k five years ago. I can easily sale it for $475k now. I bought a 29,000 square foot lot inside the loop last month. Going to sit on it and wait for the developers to make an offer.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:41 am to
quote:

I've got a townhome opening up in August for $2300/month. So def don't buy, rent!


How big of a town home

I'm looking for apartments right now in Houston and it's tough to find a decent 2 bedroom under 2000. Granted I'm only really looking in midtown, montrose and upper Kirby.
Posted by NOFLyZ0ne28
West Florida
Member since Apr 2014
876 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 7:41 am to
Well I'm speaking from a market in Florida, lol. So many damn townhouses here that it just doesn't pay to buy one. I'm sure the Texas and Louisiana markets are much better than here though.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10433 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:07 am to
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because the drive in from the suburbs is damn near inhumane.


Kingwood to Galleria checking in
Posted by BreakingTheBank
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2014
144 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:07 am to
You can get a nice one bedroom inside the loop for way under $2k. I live 0.1 miles inside the loop and rent a one bed w/ a study for $1150/month. You can get a one bed in midtown for ~$1500 or a 2 bed for ~$2k. I work downtown and about 80% of the time have a very easy commute.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:15 am to
Supply will catch up to demand.
There is a housing shortage right now in Houston. But in the next two years there will be many brand new apartments/townhomes built.

A lot of the people buying in loop are young married couples, they will sell for more space/yards in the next 5 years(subburbs). Oil and gas companies are attracting a lot of young talent, but hiring will slow down from its current pace.

A lot of the people buying right now is because rents are stupid. The kids buying (with help from mom and dad) most work for oil and gas and some may be here in us for a couple years before getting reassigned outside the Country. They will then rent out the property. With a lot of apartments being built in the city, rents will decrease. Making the value of what is now an investment property decrease. What I'm saying here is that their original attitude to buy was built off of turning the property into an investment piece because of high rents in the city. But most believe rents will decrease with the glut of new apartments coming online. Lower rents decrease value of investment property.

People need to remember that Houston has benefitted from a reputation of good paying jobs for young college graduates during a time when a lot of the country was trying to recover from the Great Recession. That reputation will wane over time, as other cities get their shite together.

If you drive through the heights/eado you will see a lot of space still left to develop townhome lots. You add those properties to the market in the next few years and current properties will be less marketable/lower prices. City of Houston is trying to push development towards UH. The area between the city and campus has always been a proverbial no mans land. Very ghetto. There are now jogging trails that young professionals are using cutting right through the area. The perception is changing and that allows for more development.

Houston also does not take part in zoning. This allows anything to be built next to your townhome. I have a friend with midtown townhome that had a bar built next to their place. Sounds great if your A 20 something but the noise and people is not attractive to most of your good buyers. His value is down 20% from market.

There are a few condo buildings coming online in the next year as well. More supply....

Couple all that with higher rates, and you have a recipe for a deflating bubble .

I have friends that bought about a year (off Dallas st) ago that are looking to sell right now, to capture the high. They are coming out way ahead, but part of the reasons they are selling are mentioned above.

Spring valley is pretty much a burrio with homes all ripe to be bought up from the low income Mexicans and redeveloped into single family homes. Not a bad place to buy but not attractive to 20 something's wanting to impress friends/ladies. Perceptions will change tho.

If there are major changes to the energy industry(doubt it) then watch out.

I'm not saying it will crash. But it will deflate a bit. Property taxes can be high in Houston and if you want to raise kids in the loop the HIsD schools can be very meh or miss. Private schools rival out of state college tuition costs.

Just my opinion sorry for the rambling.
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 8:26 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27824 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:21 am to
quote:

I will say that Houston has really diversified their econony since the oil bust


There are other industries but they are dependent on the wealth that O&G brings in. Houston is obviously more of a hub for design and planning so there is a bit more security to coast over any sudden market moves. But if O&G long term demand forecast starts to wane, this place will be a ghost town (being a bit over dramatic).
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80151 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:27 am to
quote:

But if O&G long term demand forecast starts to wane, this place will be a ghost town (being a bit over dramatic).


But you are talking years upon years from now. There isn't going to be a collapse within the next few years, as I believe the OP was eluding to.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27824 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:32 am to
quote:

But you are talking years upon years from now.


Man I hope so.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:36 am to
To the OP I would recommend your son looking to rent out a townhome with friends(new or old).

That's the best way to get cheap rent while also being in the city.
Posted by Latebloomer
Passing through
Member since Jul 2012
262 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:37 am to
I am concerned about a bubble with all the new construction but then I realize what a huge city this is and in the overall scheme of things - there are not a huge number of properties for the number of people coming into the area. Daughter is working for P66 but does not want to live in the energy corridor and not ready to move to Katy yet. She would probably hang onto anything she buys as a rental unit. I don't see her moving away anytime with them bulding their new headquarters in Houston.

Reb - I may have to contact you about the townhouse rental. My SO and I live in Houston also. He works in the CBD and we don't expect to stay for more than 4 years max, have a house in LA and one in FL - so its best for us to rent. We live in a highrise now and love it but it is tight for closets and storage.

What apts can you rent for $1500 that are nice? Maybe we've missed something. Her lease is ending soon and trying to make a decision whether to stay.

* Sorry just noticed I logged in under 2 different names. Kids have been out of Tiger band for years and didn't know how to change name so registered a new one. Computer decided to throw me into the other account.
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 9:31 am
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:49 am to
Forgot to mention that there is a lot of California and New York/south of the border money coming in for developments. (I work in banking) they are a lot of the people buying these properties and investing.

It is pretty normal for properties in Cali and NYC to fluctuate wildly in price every few years and they are used to bill and bear real estate markets. They are part of the formula for this expensive market. Once that spigot stops then demand/prices will go down.

I'm not saying it's going to suck here. But it bugs me when everyone around me is saying prices will continue to rise. Someone needs to be bearish....

Also Some of these townhomes are built so quickly that they are poorly built. It really makes me wonder.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80151 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:51 am to
quote:

I'm not saying it's going to suck here. But it bugs me when everyone around me is saying prices will continue to rise. Someone needs to be bearish....


Yeah, I don't see any major increases.. I think it holds where it is or possible adjusts downward slightly. But the Fortune 500 just came out and Texas has the most Fortune 500 companies out of any state. If there is a major downturn, it is going to be years.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 6/6/14 at 8:58 am to
Texas also has Dallas/San Antonio/Austin. All have Fortune 500 companies.

Houston has most of them but let's keep this in perspective. Texas is very business friendly but it's also very big. A lot of space available for developers
This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 9:02 am
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