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CNN is giving the Bergdahl situation a good treatment...
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:26 pm
I recommend that those of you who want to discuss this without all of the hyperbole give it a look.
Mike Rogers just gave a great interview RE: Congress' legitimate concerns about how this all went down.
Mike Rogers just gave a great interview RE: Congress' legitimate concerns about how this all went down.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 4:31 pm
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:29 pm to Navytiger74
What is this regarding?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:29 pm to Navytiger74
No hyperbole? GTFO with that. 
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:32 pm to Navytiger74
I'm trying to stay away from any emotional feelings on this issue until some clarity and more concise info is available.. I have some concerns with the bypassing of congress and the deal itself but am being diligent in not rushing my thoughts on this issue.. Hopefully in the coming weeks we can have some real debate over how all this went down, especially the why and when..
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:34 pm to TROLA
I'd just like some solid evidence regarding the alleged desertion.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:36 pm to cwill
I don't think you'll ever get that without a Snowden type situation.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:39 pm to cwill
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I'd just like some solid evidence regarding the alleged desertion.
I don't think there's much question that he stowed his firearms, took some knives, water, and food, and left without authorization. Maybe he planned to spend a few days in town and skip on back to his COP when he got ready. That's not really how shite is supposed to work in a war zone, though.
Now whether he was captured or willingly defected is a matter of controversy. And his conduct in captivity is a matter of controversy.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:41 pm to cwill
The way the administration has been dodging the questions about it so far is enough evidence for me.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:43 pm to Navytiger74
From the letter that I read, that he wrote and the RS article...it sounds like at worst he went AWOL and was captured. There was nothing he wrote that expressed an affinity for the Taliban, more that he felt bad for the Afghan people caught in the middle. But it's all conjecture at this point. I'll wait, watch and reserve judgement.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:47 pm to cwill
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From the letter that I read, that he wrote and the RS article...it sounds like at worst he went AWOL and was captured. There was nothing he wrote that expressed an affinity for the Taliban, more that he felt bad for the Afghan people caught in the middle.
I agreed and have written that this is the most likely scenario. He "identified" with the locals and probably thought he could blend in as long as he played nice. Taliban grabbed and turned him over to HQN, who got to work on his weak mind.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:04 pm to Navytiger74
quote:He cost several soldiers their lives, because he did not follow orders.
That's not really how shite is supposed to work in a war zone, though.
Now whether he was captured or willingly defected is a matter of controversy
He should be court-marshaled.
Then let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:08 pm to NC_Tigah
court martialed*
And yes, he should be.
And yes, he should be.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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He cost several soldiers their lives, because he did not follow orders. He should be court-marshaled. Then let the chips fall where they may.
You know what, all considerations aside, I think that's 100% true.
I don't often have an opportunity to correct you, so I have to point out that it's "court-martial".
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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He should be court-marshaled
Nah, he will get promoted to Staff Sargent
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:21 pm to dr smartass phd
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he will get promoted to Staff Sargent
How the hell did he get promoted to Cpl and Sgt while he was out AWOL?
This is baffling to me - Hell - McCain should have come out of VN as a General!!!
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:21 pm to Navytiger74
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CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin declared on Monday that President Barack Obama “broke the law” when his administration failed to give Congress notice of at least 30 days before releasing five ranking Taliban members from Guantanamo Bay. Toobin said that a presidential signing statement did not absolve Obama from culpability for failing to abide by the law mandating congressional notification.
“I think he clearly broke the law,” Toobin said. “The law says 30-days’ notice. He didn’t give 30-days’ notice.” Toobin added that Obama’s opinion expressed in a signing statement “is not law.”
“The law is on the books, and he didn’t follow it,” Toobin added.
Impeach Obama!
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:24 pm to ChineseBandit58
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How the hell did he get promoted to Cpl and Sgt while he was out AWOL? This is baffling to me - Hell - McCain should have come out of VN as a General!!!
He was classified as a POW, not AWOL. The promotions are automatic based upon eligibility. McCain got them, too.
And how the frick would a Naval Officer come out as a General.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:26 pm to Navytiger74
Navytiger74
UmadBro
UmadBro
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:26 pm to constant cough
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CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin declared on Monday that President Barack Obama “broke the law” when his administration failed to give Congress notice of at least 30 days before releasing five ranking Taliban members from Guantanamo Bay. Toobin said that a presidential signing statement did not absolve Obama from culpability for failing to abide by the law mandating congressional notification. “I think he clearly broke the law,” Toobin said. “The law says 30-days’ notice. He didn’t give 30-days’ notice.” Toobin added that Obama’s opinion expressed in a signing statement “is not law.” “The law is on the books, and he didn’t follow it,” Toobin added.
That's what I was talking about. He definitely broke the law on the books as any Congress would interpret it. But there is an argument to be made that this kind of exchange is squarely within the executive's province.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:31 pm to constant cough
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“The law is on the books, and he didn’t follow it,” Toobin added.
since when have Obama and/or Holder let mere laws get in their way?
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