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Pelicans MLE Tournament
Posted on 6/2/14 at 7:44 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 7:44 am
The guys at BSS are holding a "tourney" to decide the best pick ups for the MLE this year
I thought It might be interesting to pass along:
Those are the contracts they'll probably have and it's an intresting list of possible targets for discussion.
LINK
I thought It might be interesting to pass along:
quote:
Bracket 1
Trevor Ariza (3 yr/19 mil)
Emeka Okafor (1 yr/5.5 mil)
Marvin Williams (2/9.5 mil)
Kevin Seraphin (3/10 mil)
quote:
Bracket 2
Jordan Hill (2/8 mil)
CJ Miles (3/8.5 mil)
Nick Young (3/13 mil)
Andray Blatche (3/15 mil)
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Bracket 3
(3/22 mil) Spencer Hawes
(1/ 3 mil) Richard Jefferson
(2/7 mil) Caron Butler
(3/12 mil) Thabo Sefolosha
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Bracket 4
(2/5.5 mil) Jordan Hamilton
(2/9 mil) Kris Humphries
(1/5 mil) Danny Granger
(3/16 mil) PJ Tucker
Those are the contracts they'll probably have and it's an intresting list of possible targets for discussion.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 7:44 am
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:13 am to LosLobos111
1: Okafor
2: Miles
3: Hawes
4: Hamilton
2: Miles
3: Hawes
4: Hamilton
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:02 am to LosLobos111
Williams
Miles (or Young)
Hawes
Granger (1 year gamble that he produces)
Miles (or Young)
Hawes
Granger (1 year gamble that he produces)
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:42 am to LosLobos111
Okafor
Hill
Sefolosha
Tucker. Easily the toughest group. Hamilton and Humphries with a close 2a/2b.
Hill
Sefolosha
Tucker. Easily the toughest group. Hamilton and Humphries with a close 2a/2b.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:07 am to LosLobos111
Ariza
Hill
Hawes
Hamilton
Hill
Hawes
Hamilton
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:18 am to LosLobos111
Ariza
Blatche
Jefferson
Hamilton
Blatche
Jefferson
Hamilton
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:22 pm to LosLobos111
1) Ariza
2) Hill
3) Humphries
4) Jefferson/Tucker
2) Hill
3) Humphries
4) Jefferson/Tucker
Posted on 6/2/14 at 7:13 pm to LosLobos111
quote:
Marvin Williams (2/9.5 mil)
want
WANT
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:46 pm to LosLobos111
At those prices, I think my order of preference would be Ariza, Oak, Blatche, Thabo, then Hill. The SFs seem riskier than the centers.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:37 pm to THRILLHO
I'm all in for Marvin Willams will be cheap and we don't need a huge offensive threat at the 2 just won who can hit a open 3.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:16 pm to LosLobos111
Advertising McNamara articles? I'm on to you. Looks like we've found who the real MM is.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:01 am to LosLobos111
Miles
Jefferson
Hamilton
Hill
Tucker
Want no part of at these prices:
Hawes, Blatche for 3 years, Nick Young, Butler, Thabo
Wing has to be the priority. Ariza isn't worth the $6M+ he will likely get. Outside of Tucker, the other wings aren't worth more than $3M, if even that much.
The absolute worst move Demps could make is overpaying stiffs to plug holes. He needs to start gathering assets and regain flexibility for moves a year or two from now.
These paragraphs on the Pacers 2013 summer should be a warning.
He needs to play the long game with Davis. Much easier said than done if he is on the hot seat though
Jefferson
Hamilton
Hill
Tucker
Want no part of at these prices:
Hawes, Blatche for 3 years, Nick Young, Butler, Thabo
Wing has to be the priority. Ariza isn't worth the $6M+ he will likely get. Outside of Tucker, the other wings aren't worth more than $3M, if even that much.
The absolute worst move Demps could make is overpaying stiffs to plug holes. He needs to start gathering assets and regain flexibility for moves a year or two from now.
These paragraphs on the Pacers 2013 summer should be a warning.
quote:
Trading away Gerald Green at $3.5 million to merely replace him with the highly similar Chris Copeland at $3 million was a mistake. Scola was acquired to replace Hansbrough; switching out the 27-year-old Hansbrough at $3.1 million for the 33-year-old Scola at $4.5 million was a mistake. And so on. Outside of re-signing Paul George and David West, the Suns trade was the offseason, and it was not a good one. The Pacers started with Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Hansbrough and a first-round pick, and wound up with Chris Copeland and Luis Scola for as-near-as-is the same price.
Whoops.
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Competitive teams, regardless of how competitive they are, need to maintain some flexibility and future assets going forward so that they can stay good. You can perhaps get away with not worrying about this if you are Miami, but those in smaller markets need these options to help them stay good in the future. This is what has kept the San Antonio Spurs perennial contenders for so long
He needs to play the long game with Davis. Much easier said than done if he is on the hot seat though
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:35 am to LosLobos111
i'll go through this in detail
Ariza is solid, but risky for that time length. theoretically he's perfect, but fear the career year prior to free agency
okafor? for the vet min? yes. for $5.5M? frick no
marvin williams? 2 years at less than $5M is a steal. he's a younger 3/D guy who won't demand the ball. he had some really, really good runs for stretches last year (B/t some nagging injuries). he also can board and play a small 4 role
seraphin? yawn. he's young, and paying that money is basically paying him for being 24 and tall. he's not that good on the court
hill would be solid value but he's an undersized/athletic 5 or a decent D-4. not really what we need. $4M for another 4 is just an abundance that we can't afford
miles for that price would be really good, imho. 3 years and 8.5M is like 10th man money
nick young? frick no. he does 2 things: be selfish and shoot a lot of shots
blatche is interesting, but still a headcase and, like hill, is really a 4.
hawes is the only person worth writing about. very risky deal, but i really, really like him. like ariza, you have to fear the career year prior to free agency. he's a versatile 5 who can shoot, pass, post up, and block shots. he's always hurt, historically
jefferson/butler are mayans
thabo at $4M/year is the most ridiculous shite ever. he's like 30, can't shoot, and is losing his athleticism
hamilton is a guess. the 3 version of seraphin. you're paying b/c he's relatively young and may have potential
humphries does nothing for us. he's a rebounder-4
granger at $5M? too much for a surly skeleton. low-risk in terms of years, and an option if we strike out everywhere else, but meh
tucker is a solid 3 that i wouldn't mind, even for that price. i'd just prefer williams b/c he's still got better shooting potential/stats and he's younger/cheaper.
quote:
Bracket 1
Trevor Ariza (3 yr/19 mil)
Emeka Okafor (1 yr/5.5 mil)
Marvin Williams (2/9.5 mil)
Kevin Seraphin (3/10 mil)
Ariza is solid, but risky for that time length. theoretically he's perfect, but fear the career year prior to free agency
okafor? for the vet min? yes. for $5.5M? frick no
marvin williams? 2 years at less than $5M is a steal. he's a younger 3/D guy who won't demand the ball. he had some really, really good runs for stretches last year (B/t some nagging injuries). he also can board and play a small 4 role
seraphin? yawn. he's young, and paying that money is basically paying him for being 24 and tall. he's not that good on the court
quote:
Bracket 2
Jordan Hill (2/8 mil)
CJ Miles (3/8.5 mil)
Nick Young (3/13 mil)
Andray Blatche (3/15 mil)
hill would be solid value but he's an undersized/athletic 5 or a decent D-4. not really what we need. $4M for another 4 is just an abundance that we can't afford
miles for that price would be really good, imho. 3 years and 8.5M is like 10th man money
nick young? frick no. he does 2 things: be selfish and shoot a lot of shots
blatche is interesting, but still a headcase and, like hill, is really a 4.
quote:
Bracket 3
(3/22 mil) Spencer Hawes
(1/ 3 mil) Richard Jefferson
(2/7 mil) Caron Butler
(3/12 mil) Thabo Sefolosha
hawes is the only person worth writing about. very risky deal, but i really, really like him. like ariza, you have to fear the career year prior to free agency. he's a versatile 5 who can shoot, pass, post up, and block shots. he's always hurt, historically
jefferson/butler are mayans
thabo at $4M/year is the most ridiculous shite ever. he's like 30, can't shoot, and is losing his athleticism
quote:
Bracket 4
(2/5.5 mil) Jordan Hamilton
(2/9 mil) Kris Humphries
(1/5 mil) Danny Granger
(3/16 mil) PJ Tucker
hamilton is a guess. the 3 version of seraphin. you're paying b/c he's relatively young and may have potential
humphries does nothing for us. he's a rebounder-4
granger at $5M? too much for a surly skeleton. low-risk in terms of years, and an option if we strike out everywhere else, but meh
tucker is a solid 3 that i wouldn't mind, even for that price. i'd just prefer williams b/c he's still got better shooting potential/stats and he's younger/cheaper.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Mostly agree.
I'm not as high on Williams. Only 34% from 3 for his career. And he isn't really good at anything. But he fits what they seem to want better than Aminu.
Assuming Gordon is still around, you can sign Jefferson, play him 20MPG, and probably get something from him. The fear is that Monty would pull a Scott Brooks and go with the vet over the better, younger player
Hawes is a dumpster fire on defense. His offense fits perfectly, but they don't need help there.
Hill can work because he can complement Davis and Anderson with his rebounding. A bit undersized, but you only need him to bang for 20-25MPG. And you keep Withey/Ajinca as 4th bigs v the Boogies of the league.
I have no idea why any one still wants Thabo at anything more than the minimum. He was unplayable in the playoffs, unable to either play credible defense or hit the WIDE OPEN threes he had
I'm not as high on Williams. Only 34% from 3 for his career. And he isn't really good at anything. But he fits what they seem to want better than Aminu.
Assuming Gordon is still around, you can sign Jefferson, play him 20MPG, and probably get something from him. The fear is that Monty would pull a Scott Brooks and go with the vet over the better, younger player
Hawes is a dumpster fire on defense. His offense fits perfectly, but they don't need help there.
Hill can work because he can complement Davis and Anderson with his rebounding. A bit undersized, but you only need him to bang for 20-25MPG. And you keep Withey/Ajinca as 4th bigs v the Boogies of the league.
I have no idea why any one still wants Thabo at anything more than the minimum. He was unplayable in the playoffs, unable to either play credible defense or hit the WIDE OPEN threes he had
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Thanks for agreeing with me SFP. 
Williams and Miles are the steals in all this. I too really like Hawes and I'm just taking a gamble on a one year deal with Granger.
Williams and Miles are the steals in all this. I too really like Hawes and I'm just taking a gamble on a one year deal with Granger.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:59 am to corndeaux
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Hawes is a dumpster fire on defense. His offense fits perfectly, but they don't need help there.
He rebounds well, though. What are his weaknesses defensively? How does he defend against the lumbering bigs that we are looking for someone to defend?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 11:03 am to Suntiger
I just don't see how Williams is good value for our roster. We already have 2 very good PFs.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:21 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
What are his weaknesses defensively? How does he defend against the lumbering bigs that we are looking for someone to defend?
quote:
Defense: Hawes is downright dreadful on defense and this makes him a largely dimensional player. When he was traded from the Philadelphia 76ers to the Cleveland Cavaliers, the report on him was that he really didn’t put a ton of effort into his defense. With the Cavs, he seemingly put in more effort, but this isn’t someone you can count on to anchor your defense or defend elite centers on the block. You have to hide him as much as you can on the defensive end of the floor and this lessens his value overall.
The other knock on Hawes is that despite standing a legit 7’0?, his rebounding is only an average. For his career, Hawes in averaging 9.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. This past season, Hawes was 88th in the league in this category, and overall he’s viable to get bullied by more physical centers. In every sense of the word, Hawes is a finesse center and while it has it’s uses, it pegs him into certain roles and overall makes him less worth your time.
LINK
quote:
Hawes would be quite an asset coming off the bench for a good team. I've grown to respect his perimeter game and his ability to rebound, even though he's not athletic. Hawes is a below-the-rim center. He has nice footwork and touch, and he plays with his head up and can make passes. He's not a power player. He gets taken advantage of because he doesn't have the bulk of other centers.
Read More: https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131024/sixers-nba-season-preview/#ixzz33b6pBXPS
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Defensively.... nah. He can rebound alright -- though all of his rebounds always seem uncontested -- but you don't want his footwork on the perimeter, and you don't want him getting bullied down low. He can block shots a little and I wouldn't say he's an awful defender. Actually, I might. The Sixers are so bad this year that it's hard to judge any individual player on his defense. In a better system (like Doug's was in years past), he can be not a liability, which is something.
LINK
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:23 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I just don't see how Williams is good value for our roster. We already have 2 very good PFs.
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Williams
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2 very good PFs.
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PFs.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:27 pm to LosLobos111
none of the above
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 2:27 pm
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