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The Return of the Z-Chart (OP Updated)
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:33 am
For those who are unfamiliar, the Z-chart was created by some NBA geeks to try to measure the skill diversity of lineups and rosters in the NBA. They came up with 13 different skills within the game. If a player is considered above-average at a skill, the player is credited with that skill. After determining which skill each player has, you can then build a chart for each lineup that player may fit into. This will allow you to see how a lineup fits together.
Teke posted this image to show what the chart looks like:
After some discussion, we have come up with the following:
Davis: Le, St, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Po, Rb, ID, Bk (still contemplating Pa)
Holiday: Le, Pa, St, 3, OD, MD
Evans: Pa, St, Fe, Sc, %
Gordon: St, 3, Sc, Md, %
Anderson: 3, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Rb
Rivers: St, 3, Fe, OD
Ajinca: Rb, ID, Bk
Withey: Rb, ID, Bk
Babbitt: 3, Md
Teke posted this image to show what the chart looks like:
After some discussion, we have come up with the following:
Davis: Le, St, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Po, Rb, ID, Bk (still contemplating Pa)
Holiday: Le, Pa, St, 3, OD, MD
Evans: Pa, St, Fe, Sc, %
Gordon: St, 3, Sc, Md, %
Anderson: 3, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Rb
Rivers: St, 3, Fe, OD
Ajinca: Rb, ID, Bk
Withey: Rb, ID, Bk
Babbitt: 3, Md
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:14 pm
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:35 am to Galactic Inquisitor
One thing it might tell us that I'm curious about is, Does Tyreke need 2 shooters (Holiday/Ryno) or 3 shooters on the floor with him. Basically will upgrading SF or not be the difference between another disappointing year or a year where the Pelicans shock the world?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:41 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Might as well.
AD - Le, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Po, ID, Rb, Bk
AD - Le, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Po, ID, Rb, Bk
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:44 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Does Tyreke need 2 shooters (Holiday/Ryno) or 3 shooters on the floor with him. Basically will upgrading SF or not be the difference between another disappointing year or a year where the Pelicans shock the world?
My guess is that he can work with 2 shooters.
If there are at least 2 legitimate 3-point threats out there, he can likely slash his way through the defense to the basket because the perimeter defenders can't pull off, allowing a clean 3 attempt, and I doubt that AD's defender will pull off of him to go after Evans given that AD can score from the post and from mid-range.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:53 am to teke184
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AD - Le, Fe, Sc, Md, %, Po, ID, Rb, Bk
Holiday - Le, Pa, St, OD, Md (could possibly add 3)
Gordon - St, 3, Md, % (could possibly add Pa)
Evans - Pa, St, Fe, Sc, %, Po
Rivers - Le, Pa, St, OD
Anderson - Pa, 3, Sc, Md, %, Rb
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:57 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Once we can get to a consensus on the players we expect back next year, we can start putting together some lineup-specific charts to see how balanced they are.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:56 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Rivers - Fe, St, OD
This coming from a Rivers honk. I don't know if I'm ready to give him passing/leadership, but I would definitely add Fe to his list. Situationally, he showed the ability to do many of the other things well. The sample sizes are just too small.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:14 am to ShamelessPel
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This coming from a Rivers honk. I don't know if I'm ready to give him passing/leadership, but I would definitely add Fe to his list. Situationally, he showed the ability to do many of the other things well. The sample sizes are just too small.
I think he has a little leadership and a little fearlessness, but I wasn't sure about including either one. I do agree that passing is a stretch, too.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:40 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Rivers was the best catch and shoot 3 point shooter on the team last season.
Catch and Shoot 3P% and overall 3P%
Rivers 46.4% 36.4%
Gordon 45.7% 39.1%
Morrow 44.1% 45.1%
Holiday 43.5% 39.0%
Anderson 42.0% 40.9%
Roberts 38.3% 36.0%
Babbit 36.8% 37.9%
Miller 33.8% 32.5%
Evans 27.7% 22.1%
*James Southerland 60% 60%
Catch and Shoot 3P% and overall 3P%
Rivers 46.4% 36.4%
Gordon 45.7% 39.1%
Morrow 44.1% 45.1%
Holiday 43.5% 39.0%
Anderson 42.0% 40.9%
Roberts 38.3% 36.0%
Babbit 36.8% 37.9%
Miller 33.8% 32.5%
Evans 27.7% 22.1%
*James Southerland 60% 60%
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:43 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Fearlessness would be the only one besides perimeter D that I'd give him without question. He hits the deck almost every drive and was pretty much the only Pelican to get in fights last year without JSmoove there to lay down the law. Getting in their faces 5v1 after that Reggie Evans elbow on AD last year told me all I needed to know about him.
I think he's too young and hard on himself to be a leader at the moment. Morrow would be the perfect example of a bench leader for us.
Morrow - Le , 3 , Fe , Sc , Md , %
I think he's too young and hard on himself to be a leader at the moment. Morrow would be the perfect example of a bench leader for us.
Morrow - Le , 3 , Fe , Sc , Md , %
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Evans 27.7% 22.1%
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:58 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Well he did hit about 35% in the second half
That screwy first half skews things a bit
That screwy first half skews things a bit
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:03 pm to LosLobos111
quote:
Well he did hit about 35% in the second half
That screwy first half skews things a bit
I still wouldn't have Evans shooting from downtown if I could help it. The man doesn't have a lot of accuracy on his jump shots, at least in comparison to other guards.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:49 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I like it. Should we pull a post mortem on this roster?
I recall we put one together after last season but before FA. I think we decided they were light on rebounding/interior play, 3PT% and defense. Not sure how much that changes this year, but it might be worth it to compare.
I recall we put one together after last season but before FA. I think we decided they were light on rebounding/interior play, 3PT% and defense. Not sure how much that changes this year, but it might be worth it to compare.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:05 pm to corndeaux
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I recall we put one together after last season but before FA. I think we decided they were light on rebounding/interior play, 3PT% and defense. Not sure how much that changes this year, but it might be worth it to compare.
Ajinca and Withey have some post defense, but mainly on the biggest of big men like Howard and Marc Gasol IIRC.
As I noted months ago, it's kind of weird to say someone is only a good defender against guys like Howard and Gasol.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:10 pm to teke184
quote:
it's kind of weird to say someone is only a good defender against guys like Howard and Gasol.
That's exactly how Aaron Gray was. I don't know if Ajinca can raise his basketball IQ high enough to overcome his physical limitations. Hopefully he can, because his size and rebounding are good enough to "start" next to AD if he could stop fouling so much and play solid defense.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:34 pm to TigerinATL
Aren't a decent amount of Ajinca's problems due to the difference between NBA fouls / violations and FIBA ones?
I know he had a lot of turnovers early on with us for that exact reason.
I know he had a lot of turnovers early on with us for that exact reason.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:17 pm to TigerinATL
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if he could stop fouling so much and play solid defense.
How many of his fouls are offensive? He seems to get called on a lot of high pick and rolls. I don't know how much of it is the guards not waiting on him to get set, and how much is him being lazy getting to his spot. He sometimes kinds of slides into the pick, rather than getting there quickly and getting set.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:23 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I just did some searching for offensive foul stats. The ESPN page didn't have that, but they did let you sort by personal fouls per 48:
Ajinca 9.4
Steven Adams 8.1
Greg Stiemsma 8.1
Ian Mahinmi 8.0
Kelly Olynyk 7.8
Davis is at 4.1
Ajinca 9.4
Steven Adams 8.1
Greg Stiemsma 8.1
Ian Mahinmi 8.0
Kelly Olynyk 7.8
Davis is at 4.1
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:33 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
82games lists 22 offensive fouls in it's turnover section, Ajinca had 187 on the year. If you could eliminate all of those that gets him down from 7.1 fouls per 36 to 6.24. Still way too much. At a minimum I think our "starter" needs to be at 5 or less per 36.
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