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Nurses starting to fight against the dangers of medical technology
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:00 pm
Audio ad from National Nurses United on the dangers of medical algorithms
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Hospitals and other healthcare industry giants are spending billions of dollars on medical technology sold to the public as the cure for everything from medical errors to cutting costs. But the reality is proving to be far different, warns NNU.
Bedside computers that diagnose and dictate treatment for patients, based on generic population trends not the health status or care needs of that individual patient, increasingly supplant the professional assessment and judgment of experienced nurses and doctors exposing patients to misdiagnosis, mistreatment, and life-threatening mistakes.
Computerized electronic health records systems too often fail, leaving doctors and nurses in the dark without access to medical histories or medical orders. The Office of the Inspector General for the Health and Human Services Department has reported widespread flaws in the heavily promoted systems. Telemedicine and robotics marketed as improved care deprive patients of individualized care so essential to the therapeutic process central to healing.
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Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:19 pm to Cs
They took err jeeerbs!
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:21 pm to Cs
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think they need to push to try to do surgery too.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:26 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
There might be an argument against an algorithm based diagnosis system but I haven't ever seen such a system. But stating that electronic record keeping is bad is a joke. Typical Union bullshite.
Good nurses are great professionals but there are a ton of nurses, the ones working up in the wards, that are a bunch of lazy, don't give a crap hourly employees. Any real nurse will admit to that. (Pre-emptive comment aimed at the next RN to read this thread and jump down my throat in auto defense of their profession. You know the nurses I am talking about.)
Good nurses are great professionals but there are a ton of nurses, the ones working up in the wards, that are a bunch of lazy, don't give a crap hourly employees. Any real nurse will admit to that. (Pre-emptive comment aimed at the next RN to read this thread and jump down my throat in auto defense of their profession. You know the nurses I am talking about.)
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:28 pm to Cs
Nurses are women and like teachers are gonna bitch about anything.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:30 pm to Traffic Circle
There are reasons for this, many nurses are dumb. I was married to one, so I know. Book smart, but no common sense at all.
Due to law suits and the cost of health care, they have to find a way to dumb things down and avoid costly mistakes. Eliminate the human factor as much as you can and you will avoid many of these mistakes. Hospitals have a shite ton of overhead and don't profit near what the general public thinks they do. I manage the biomedical department for a local hospital, so I know exactly how much they are spending in my area and it's nothing to bat an eye at.
Due to law suits and the cost of health care, they have to find a way to dumb things down and avoid costly mistakes. Eliminate the human factor as much as you can and you will avoid many of these mistakes. Hospitals have a shite ton of overhead and don't profit near what the general public thinks they do. I manage the biomedical department for a local hospital, so I know exactly how much they are spending in my area and it's nothing to bat an eye at.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:32 pm to Cs
I'd let an algorithm diagnose me over a nurse any day of the week.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:33 pm to Austin Cajun
quote:And what does that make YOU, for marrying a dumb woman?
There are reasons for this, many nurses are dumb. I was married to one
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:34 pm to Cs
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increasingly supplant the professional assessment and judgment of experienced nurses and doctors exposing patients to misdiagnosis, mistreatment, and life-threatening mistakes.
Nurses and doctors will always make mistakes, technology will eventually get to a point where it may not and even if it doesn't become perfect it will be better than humans. They just don't want to lose their jobs and I don't blame them.
This should be discussed in a separate thread but I often think about how in 20 years or so, maybe sooner, technology will have replaced tens of millions of workers in the US alone. How will everyones views on welfare change when that happens? I mean we are going to HAVE to give out a ton of welfare.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:43 pm to lsu480
The more pressing issue in healthcare is medicare/ medicaid dictating how long a patient can stay in critical care or how many days a chf patient can stay in the hospital before they stop paying for treatment.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:46 pm to Geauxtiga
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And what does that make YOU, for marrying a dumb woman?
I don't deny my mistakes. Fortunately, I've become much wiser as I've aged.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 12:46 pm to Cs
The Geratric population cannot and will not be supported in the manner it has been to this point. Boomers have to accept this, we just don't have the money. This is how reparations will be paid, drug war justice, American Style.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:29 pm to The Third Leg
Well I would rather have a nurse practioner than an MD on an office visit every time. Way more thorough. Even tho I have been misdiagnosed by MD's six of the last seven serious medical issues i would rather have a MD in the ER.
I dont think the main subject of this is a real cause of concern now, I guess in 10-15 years it may be one.
I dont think the main subject of this is a real cause of concern now, I guess in 10-15 years it may be one.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:31 pm to Cs
quote:This is actually a big issue that Scruffy has witnessed first hand. The entire EMR system went down in the hospital for 12+ hours and no one knew how to cope.
Computerized electronic health records systems too often fail, leaving doctors and nurses in the dark without access to medical histories or medical orders.
They don't teach us how to use paper charts and orders anymore, and that is a fatal flaw in the system that could cause significant problems.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:45 pm to Scruffy
I agree with Scruffy - we're becoming much too reliant on technology.
Just talk to an older pilot about that profession - a lot of young "pilots" wouldn't know what to do if the plane's computers went down.
Just talk to an older pilot about that profession - a lot of young "pilots" wouldn't know what to do if the plane's computers went down.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:48 pm to Cs
I've never heard of a doctor that doesn't have paper files just in case of a power failure.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:54 pm to Scruffy
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This is actually a big issue that Scruffy has witnessed first hand. The entire EMR system went down in the hospital for 12+ hours and no one knew how to cope. They don't teach us how to use paper charts and orders anymore, and that is a fatal flaw in the system that could cause significant problems.
The hospital I work at is a teaching hospital that just got EPIC a couple years ago...so I very well remember when all we did was paper charting.
Computer charting is faster and efficient. But one thing I've noticed....our interns/residents don't come up to our floor as often. Before they had to come up to enter orders, etc physically in the charts. Now they have become too accustomed to just entering it on a computer someplace else in the hospital.
On some nights this isn't really a big deal...others it would be nice if they had more of a presence on the floor.
Some interns are good about periodically coming up to make sure we don't need anything and that their kids are doing ok. Others...not so much.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:54 pm to jbgleason
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There might be an argument against an algorithm based diagnosis system but I haven't ever seen such a system. But stating that electronic record keeping is bad is a joke. Typical Union bullshite
Even with expert medical systems (which are sometimes algorithm based) there is still a need for the physician to approve of disapprove of the diagnosis that the system suggests. I don't think that anyone blindly accepts the diagnosis that the system suggests.
The benefits of EMR/EHR far outweigh any potential issues that come with them.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 1:55 pm to Crimson G
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I've never heard of a doctor that doesn't have paper files just in case of a power failure.
Go to a hospital with a completely integrated EHR, the docs don't use paper at all. It would be a complete waste of their time.
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