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Posted on 5/9/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted by pookiebear
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Posted on 5/9/14 at 9:56 pm
Brandin Cooks

Strengths: Special athlete with explosive feet and natural burst - springs in his legs. Fluid body control with excellent start and stop moves, open field vision and patient hesitation to elude defenders - joystick moves with loose hips and joints. Top acceleration with speed to burn - electric after the catch.
Quick hands to adjust and pluck with very good coordination to look the ball into his mitts. Quick footwork to set up his routes and fool defenders - has worked hard to fine tune this area. Works hard to max out his frame.
Strong football character. Tough individual, has never missed a game at any level. Experience on special teams as a return man - became full time punt returner in 2013.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size with below average height and length for the position. Limited strength, muscle and overall growth potential. Struggles with physical defenders and doesn't have ideal body strength - will be overwhelmed in man coverage.
Looks to avoid contact and would much rather escape out of bounds or go around defenses. Needs to secure the ball through the process to eliminate drops and fumbles.

Compare to - Tavon Austin - Cooks is a slightly bigger, not as fast version of Austin due to explosive feet, open field moves and natural athleticism that makes him a home run threat whenever he touches the ball.


Stanley Jean-Baptiste

Strengths: Excellent height and length for the position. Strong initial jam to reroute receivers in press coverage. Often asked to play off-man principles, as well showing the patience to allow receivers to get near him before beginning his turning motion. Breaks quickly on short route. Uses his long arms and strong hands to get to the ball. Good eye-hand coordination and leaping ability. Can rip free from blockers when he extends his arms. Surprisingly fluid hips for his size. Capable of changing direction to maintain tight coverage. Good ball skills to extend and pluck the ball outside of his frame.

Weaknesses: Not nearly as physical as his size suggests, especially when tackling. Frequently relies on ducking his head and swiping at receivers' legs. Could be viewed by some as a safety convert but hasn't played the position before and will need to develop more physicality and reliability as an open field tackler. Fluid changing direction but very susceptible to double moves. Doesnt possess ideal initial burst and only has speed running in a straight line.


Khairi Fortt 6-2 240lbs 40yd: 4.67

Strengths: Lean muscular frame with long arms. Reads and recognizes the run. Has an explosive first step downhill. Gets up to speed rapidly with top-end speed to run down plays to the opposite side. Fluid and explosive laterally. With hips square to the line of scrimmage, he's able to turn to cut off runs to the outside edge. Reads the action quickly with gap discipline and patience to allow the play to develop before committing. Takes on blockers with aggression. Demonstrates nimble feet to maintain footing when combatting cut blocks. Fluid backpedal when asked to drop into coverage and the quick hips to turn and run with receivers and tight ends vertically. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder. Elite acceleration and second gear to chase down speedy ballcarriers, even 20-30 yards downfield. Flashes pass rush ability and could play inside or outside.

Weaknesses: Lowers his head as a tackler and will whiff in the open field. Takes aggressive angles to the outside, and will find himself behind the play. Has a tendency to freeze when dropping into zone, locking onto the quarterback and losing peripheral awareness. Throws himself at ballcarriers when in space and pursuing from off angles, seeming more concerned with the big hit than finishing the play. Despite his aggression and ability to play through contact, has not been a big finisher behind the line of scrimmage while at Cal.


I'll do Cooks and the other guys when i get the time and edit this post have all of them on here
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31582 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:00 pm to
Not surprised he's bad at tackling, he's only been a DB for 2 years
Posted by higgsBoson
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Member since Jan 2012
1408 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:38 pm to
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Not surprised he's bad at tackling, he's only been a DB for 2 years


This is what people need to understand. That transition is not trivial. He wasn't drafted to start right away. He was drafted to learn under Lewis and Bailey. His upside is incredible. He's got WR size and leaping ability. If he can hone his skills, the sky's the limit. And he has that ability in New Orleans.

And with our 3 safteys, all who can cover. We don't need blazing CBs. We need man press corners who can disrupt WRs that our safteys can clean up. SJB and Lewis are taller than any of our safteys. That's not by accident.
Posted by SaintlyTiger88
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2013
1975 posts
Posted on 5/9/14 at 11:23 pm to
Baptiste looks like a solid player who can make a big difference in the secondary. When they were comparing him to Richard Sherman on ESPN, that was a big positive, it doesn't hurt to be compared favorably to the best cornerback in the NFL. Like you said, he won't have to start right away, he has the fortuitous situation of learning under a future Hall of Famer (Bailey) and a solid player in Keenan Lewis. Looking forward to seeing what he can do!!
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 2:40 am to
This pick is so perfect with the Bailey signing.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:17 am to
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Weaknesses: Not nearly as physical as his size suggests, especially when tackling. Frequently relies on ducking his head and swiping at receivers' legs. Could be viewed by some as a safety convert but hasn't played the position before and will need to develop more physicality and reliability as an open field tackler. Fluid changing direction but very susceptible to double moves. Doesnt possess ideal initial burst and only has speed running in a straight line.


I don't mean to buzzkill the pick, but this would almost sound like a copyright page from a Jenkins scouting report.

Again, I recognize the potential, but it's going to take time. I also think this is a pretty big risk/reward pick.

This newfound obsession with height at the CB position is going to be short-lived IMO. The Shermans and Browners of this world will continue to be the exception, and height will be overvalued for the next 2-3 years.

JMO, I probably would have gone elsewhere with this pick, but it does have a very high ceiling.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:18 am to
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When they were comparing him to Richard Sherman on ESPN, that was a big positive, it doesn't hurt to be compared favorably to the best cornerback in the NFL.


99% of media comparisons are lazy and stereotypical.

Baptiste's game is NOTHING like Sherman's. If you watch college football, he's Tharold Simon.

He's not a physical, brawler like Sherman.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65945 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:35 am to
It was simply to point out his measurables. Of course he is not as confident or physical.. but he can still develop into that. All about projections. I hope the best for him.

Graham didn't exactly have tremendous stats and went what in the 3rd round.. with very limited football experience on a somewhat bad team.. and look what he turned into..
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 6:12 am to
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It was simply to point out his measurables. Of course he is not as confident or physical.. but he can still develop into that. All about projections. I hope the best for him.

Graham didn't exactly have tremendous stats and went what in the 3rd round.. with very limited football experience on a somewhat bad team.. and look what he turned into..



There's no doubt he can develop into a good player. However, people expecting a physical Richard Sherman CB are going to be disappointed IMO.

You mention Graham, but has he really changed any? The scouting report on him pre-draft would have said freak of nature athlete, high-points the ball well due to basketball experience, not very physical, little to no experience as a blocker. What about that has changed?

Not many players change in the NFL. The NFL is about taking guys and putting them into the best situations to succeed, through schemes, techniques, positions, etc. That's not to say they won't improve some areas of their game, but not many guys transform their makeup in the NFL.

Again, he can still have a ton of success. I trust our defensive coaches these days, and if they think he can work I'll buy it. He won't be the bump-and-run freak Sherman is, though. I expect we'll see him in a lot of press-bail technique, though, and I love the increased reliance on that technique.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28339 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 7:16 am to
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This newfound obsession with height at the CB position is going to be short-lived IMO. The Shermans and Browners of this world will continue to be the exception, and height will be overvalued for the next 2-3 years.


Exactly. With the new safety rules in the NFL, teams aren't going to be afraid to cross quick, smaller WRs over the middle or from the slot. These bigger corners will do well against the Calvin Johnson's and Julio Jones's of the world, but struggle against guys like Brandin Cooks.

Offenses always evolve faster than defenses. They're already making changes to beat teams like Seattle.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 7:33 am to
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I don't mean to buzzkill the pick, but this would almost sound like a copyright page from a Jenkins scouting report.


Reread Jenkins' scouting report last night and you're right (it's even more similar because they both ran poorly at the combine but improved at Pro Day).

I think Baptiste will end up a much better player because:

1. Ryan has shown he knows how to come up with schemes that maximizes the talent he has. Jenkins really didn't have the luxury to play in a system that matches his skill-sets until last year; not surprising, Jenkins had one of his best seasons under Ryan's system.

2. It was a known fact that Jenkins didn't like tackling and that never improved. If Baptiste doesn't commit to improving in that area, it will be a problem. The good news is there are a bunch of tackling machines in the backfield (Byrd, Vacarro, and Bailey are known as sure tacklers) who will tutor him.

3. Malcolm Jenkins played DB going all the back to his first play in high school; he had bad habits that were embedded in his game which were difficult to correct. Baptiste just started playing CB 2 years ago. He doesn't have bad habits to correct; he doesn't have a full understanding of the position because of the lack of experience.

Baptiste is a semi-project; I don't think anyone will argue otherwise, but we are perfectly setup to take this project on.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:40 am to
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Compare to - Tavon Austin - Cooks is a slightly bigger, not as fast version of Austin due to explosive feet, open field moves and natural athleticism that makes him a home run threat whenever he touches the ball.

It's a good comparison but cooks is far more polished than Austin. Cooks is a good route runner today, while austins college system is based on finding open space and sitting down. Cooks is bigger stronger faster and cleaner than Austin. Tavon was a top 10 pick because of the rams reaching in what was already a terrible draft class.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
4696 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:40 am to
Double post
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 8:42 am
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9436 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Compare to - Tavon Austin - Cooks is a slightly bigger, not as fast version of Austin due to explosive feet, open field moves and natural athleticism that makes him a home run threat whenever he touches the ball.


I understand that running drills does not completely translate to playing the game, but Cooks had a faster 40 and a faster 20 yard shuttle.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31582 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:47 am to
Baptiste will get some playing time for the two years Bailey is here and probably learn to improve tackling under Ryan and if he doesn't we still have white but I have a good feeling about this guy. And he will have Byrd and Vaccaro over the top to help
Posted by pookiebear
TX
Member since Apr 2014
342 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:05 am to

What maybe worries me about Cooks is strength in being able to box out the corner, attack the ball, and make the catch. I haven't seen him do that much in his highlights. Instead I see him getting a ton of bubble screens which I dont think will work in the NFL. I'd also like to see more deepballs in stride.

I dont want him to be like Tavon Austin or Percy Harvin, I'd way rather he prove me wrong and actually be like Steve Smith, like a lot of people are suggesting.
But if he's not we can count on that Payton magic, and we can use him like Randall Cobb or something.

Posted by iAmThatMan
Member since Jan 2014
1879 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:17 am to
If you look closely look at his highlights you will see that he is capable of making contested catches...He doesn't need to be a possession WR...We just needed a playmaker at the position,someone that can get separation...He's that and more IMO.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:23 am to
quote:

I don't mean to buzzkill the pick, but this would almost sound like a copyright page from a Jenkins scouting report.
i've actually paid attention to both him and Jenkins in college watching a couple games.... And I'm super excited about this pick and was super meh on Jenkins


Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7071 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:24 am to
His size does not worry ya'll?
Posted by iAmThatMan
Member since Jan 2014
1879 posts
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:26 am to
Well,I mean,he's proven that he can stay healthy...Sean Payton will make plays that revolve around HIS game and what HE is good at to help us win.
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