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How is U.S. debt resolved?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:12 am
Doesn't this have to crash badly at some point?
Serious question is how is this finally resolved?
Serious question is how is this finally resolved?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:16 am to Ole War Skule
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Serious question is how is this finally resolved?
US Dollar will be worth less than the Peso.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:19 am to constant cough
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US Dollar will be worth less than the Peso.
Yep. 'Print' dollars...pay off debtors...trash it...make new 'money'.
A common World, digital form of 'money' is inevitable. At least a try. Just like a World Government is. Time will tell if either holds up for long.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:29 am to RCDfan1950
Mint a trillion dollar coin;
Take trillion dollar coin to treasury dept;
pay debt.
What could go wrong?
Take trillion dollar coin to treasury dept;
pay debt.
What could go wrong?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:30 am to Ole War Skule
lol, why does your graph stop at 2008?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:33 am to Lakeboy7
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Mint a trillion dollar coin;
Take trillion dollar coin to treasury dept;
pay debt.
While you have the press out, mint 17 of those coins.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:33 am to Ole War Skule
gold standard...get rid of the fed...it would hurt at first but would return us to the way it was for a long time...inflation was very low when we used gold as a backing to our currency...fiat $ and the printing of currency and the continual rise and fall adjustments to interest rates must stop....imho
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:37 am to Ole War Skule
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How is U.S. debt resolved?
For everyone minus the federal government debt is resolved by either paying it down or defaulting.
The federal government has three options to resolve debt. 1. pay it down, 2. default, or 3. have the Federal Reserve buy more treasuries by "printing" (aka QE in today's parlance).
Those are your options. So this begs the question; what are the results of each option?
1. Paying debt down is met and accomplished with production. So paying debt down is obviously the most economically healthy way to eliminate debt simply because value is added to the economy by production.
2. Defaulting is another way to eliminate debt. Defaulting is where sufficient production does not meet predetermined debt obligations. This is not necessarily bad if you look at from the perspective that defaulting is a process of eliminating malinvestment from the general economy.
3. Printing is another form of debt reduction enjoyed by the federal government facilitated by the Federal Reserve. However it's only a debt reduction on current obligations and an increase on future debt obligations. Printing relies on future production (i.e., future tax dollars) and future debt reduction though inflation. Besides inflation, I don't know what the future holds for this type of debt management.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 8:40 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:37 am to HonoraryCoonass
I was talking principal bro!
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:39 am to GumboPot
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Defaulting is another way to eliminate debt.
a tool that Donal Trump is very fond of
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:43 am to TrueTiger
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Defaulting is another way to eliminate debt.
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a tool that Donal Trump is very fond of
The Donald is not the only one. I would bet most all entrepreneurial millionaires/billionaires have used BK as finical strategy to achieve the best outcomes for themselves.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
In all sincerity, GP...it'll probably be a combination of all three.
New technology can affect 'production' in ways that can hardly be imagined. The more important issue will be if we can maintain civility and progress toward those high tech powers. And once acquired...will we have the wisdom to employ them without damage.
To the stars.
New technology can affect 'production' in ways that can hardly be imagined. The more important issue will be if we can maintain civility and progress toward those high tech powers. And once acquired...will we have the wisdom to employ them without damage.
To the stars.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:54 am to RCDfan1950
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In all sincerity, GP...it'll probably be a combination of all three.
Absolutely.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:27 am to GumboPot
dick cheney, for whom many "conservatives" on here voted, said don't worry about deficit spending ...
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:32 am to Ole War Skule
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Doesn't this have to crash badly at some point?
This question has come up quite a few times over the past few years and a few of us have taken on the task of trying to reasonably gauge when such an event would happen.
My own thought is that such a crash will occur right around the time when the Treasury is no longer taking in enough monies to pay just the interest on the debt. With current spending and interest accrual, that looks to be about 10-15 years from now (if interest rates go up though, it could be much sooner).
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:35 am to tiderider
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dick cheney, for whom many "conservatives" on here voted, said don't worry about deficit spending ...
He was, and continues to be, wrong.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:46 am to Ole War Skule
quote:The first step is to stop adding to the debt.
How is U.S. debt resolved?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:48 am to LSURussian
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The first step is to stop adding to the debt.
#waron.....something
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:48 am to Bard
I'm reading your reply, and reading the your signature and laughing....need to change the Rick
Astley to Uncle Sam
My guess is that we continue to run up the debt until foreigners are no longer willing or able to refinance it. 10/15 years...maybe...maybe it can go longer. I think it depends on technological developments leading to productivity increases. Everyone is betting that the U.S. economy can grow at increasing real rates in future.
My fear and expectation is that will not happen. I think 'revolution' is not in the cards, but I do think the 'masses' will elect socialist/communists to pay off the debts with accumulated wealth of the 1%ers.
Bottom line is I think there will be serious social/political upheaval in the next 20 years. Huey Long/Chavez types who will make Obama look like Reagan.
ETA: is Bard something to do with the Bengal Bard...a wandering poet at LSU in the early 80s (and probably long before as well)
Astley to Uncle Sam
My guess is that we continue to run up the debt until foreigners are no longer willing or able to refinance it. 10/15 years...maybe...maybe it can go longer. I think it depends on technological developments leading to productivity increases. Everyone is betting that the U.S. economy can grow at increasing real rates in future.
My fear and expectation is that will not happen. I think 'revolution' is not in the cards, but I do think the 'masses' will elect socialist/communists to pay off the debts with accumulated wealth of the 1%ers.
Bottom line is I think there will be serious social/political upheaval in the next 20 years. Huey Long/Chavez types who will make Obama look like Reagan.
ETA: is Bard something to do with the Bengal Bard...a wandering poet at LSU in the early 80s (and probably long before as well)
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:53 am to Ole War Skule
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My guess is that we continue to run up the debt until foreigners are no longer willing or able to refinance it.
Just an FYI, foreigners (i.e., foreign countries) own about a third of our debt:
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