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Kerry warns Israel could become " An Apartheid State
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:36 pm
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If there’s no two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict soon, Israel risks becoming “an apartheid state,” Secretary of State John Kerry told a room of influential world leaders in a closed-door meeting Friday.
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This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:38 pm to pistolpete23
He really is a complete putz.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:40 pm to pistolpete23
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Kerry warns
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BTW, when Kerry opens the gates/doors to his worst enemies, on his humble manor...then he'll have cred to preach to others.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:44 pm to wartiger2004
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He really is a complete putz.
i've been listening to a lot of his clips on No Agenda podcast (the best podcast in the universe), and this is an understatement. yes, a putz. And really an idiot and certainly delusional and mentally unstable. Let's put him in charge of the state department. what could possibly go wrong?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:59 pm to pistolpete23
I long for the day where we don't have to hear American politicians mention Israel.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:59 pm to wartiger2004
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He really is a complete putz.
This. Exponentially...
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:59 pm to pistolpete23
Kerry is at the top of the list of Obama cabinet fails. The biggest douche on top of that. Just like Obama, doesn't have the skill set to succeed.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:42 pm to Da Sheik
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The biggest douche on top of that.
And his post Vietnam actions, testimony in congress, I see him in the same light as that traitor Hanoi Jane Fonda.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:01 pm to pistolpete23
I always considered the 2004 election (my first chance to vote for President and I declined!) one of the worst choices, choosing between two shite sandwiches in Kerry and Bush. But since seeing Kerry in action as SoS, I have to say America made the right choice in 2004 when picking between the lesser of two evils.
Just, god damn, the absolute worthless trash that gravitates to being a politician is just astounding.
Just, god damn, the absolute worthless trash that gravitates to being a politician is just astounding.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:06 pm to AUin02
He's right. You have to remember than thousands of Christian Palestinians are treated horribly by Israel. Israel with their walls, checkpoints, and settlements are becoming an apartheid state.
I wish the so-called Christians in this country would start putting Christians first in the Middle East instead of automatically backing Jewish desires.
I wish the so-called Christians in this country would start putting Christians first in the Middle East instead of automatically backing Jewish desires.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:10 pm to pistolpete23
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Kerry also said that at some point, he might unveil his own peace deal and tell both sides to “take it or leave it.”
Let me go ahead and answer this for both sides so Kerry can save some time....leave it
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:29 pm to pistolpete23
So what. A overhead a study on NPR that stated most of New York City Public Schools were "apartheid schools" due to being 99% black.
We beat Israel to the punch.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:32 pm to pistolpete23
Schizo US policy.
2 state solution is great for Israel, but not for Ukraine.
2 state solution is great for Israel, but not for Ukraine.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:34 pm to pistolpete23
He's only saying what other prominent Israelis have said and what is self-evident to anyone who has a clue about what's been going on in the Mideast since 1967. Any nation that denies all the benefits of citizenship, including the right to vote, to some of its subjects based on religion, race or ethnicity, is by definition an apartheid state. 2014 is analogous to the Jim Crow South and Benjamin Netanyahu is a Jewish version of George Wallace.
Here's what former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on the subject:
"We are approaching the point where more and more Palestinians will say: we have been won over. We agree with [National Union leader Avigdor] Liberman. There is no room for two states between the Jordan and the sea. All that we want is the right to vote. The day they do that, is the day we lose everything. Even when they carry out terror, it is very difficult for us to persuade the world of the justice of our cause. We see this on a daily basis. All the more so when there is only one demand: an equal right to vote. The thought that the struggle against us will be headed by liberal Jewish organizations who shouldered the burden of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa scares me....All these smart-alecky solutions [proposal to give the right to vote to Jews around the world] will not rescue us from a boycott, isolation, and other scenarios that I prefer not to go into."
Here's what former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair had to say:
"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
Here's what former Israeli Speaker of the Knesset Avraham Burg had to say:
"Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there is no longer a clear Jewish majority. And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible to keep the whole thing without paying a price. We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East. There cannot be democracy without equal rights for all who live here, Arab as well as Jew. We cannot keep the territories and preserve a Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state - not by means that are humane and moral and Jewish.
Do you want the greater land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Let's institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages.
Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels and donkeys and expel them en masse - or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements - all of them - and draw an internationally recognised border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home. The Jewish law of return will apply only within our national home, and their right of return will apply only within the borders of the Palestinian state.
Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box."
Here's what former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on the subject:
"We are approaching the point where more and more Palestinians will say: we have been won over. We agree with [National Union leader Avigdor] Liberman. There is no room for two states between the Jordan and the sea. All that we want is the right to vote. The day they do that, is the day we lose everything. Even when they carry out terror, it is very difficult for us to persuade the world of the justice of our cause. We see this on a daily basis. All the more so when there is only one demand: an equal right to vote. The thought that the struggle against us will be headed by liberal Jewish organizations who shouldered the burden of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa scares me....All these smart-alecky solutions [proposal to give the right to vote to Jews around the world] will not rescue us from a boycott, isolation, and other scenarios that I prefer not to go into."
Here's what former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair had to say:
"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
Here's what former Israeli Speaker of the Knesset Avraham Burg had to say:
"Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there is no longer a clear Jewish majority. And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible to keep the whole thing without paying a price. We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East. There cannot be democracy without equal rights for all who live here, Arab as well as Jew. We cannot keep the territories and preserve a Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state - not by means that are humane and moral and Jewish.
Do you want the greater land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Let's institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages.
Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels and donkeys and expel them en masse - or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements - all of them - and draw an internationally recognised border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home. The Jewish law of return will apply only within our national home, and their right of return will apply only within the borders of the Palestinian state.
Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box."
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:47 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Is putting Christians first the Christian thing to do? Is that what Jesus taught?
I wish the so-called Christians in this country would start putting Christians first in the Middle East instead of automatically backing Jewish desires.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:51 pm to Poodlebrain
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Is putting Christians first the Christian thing to do? Is that what Jesus taught?
I agree with you. We shouldn't put Christians first just because they are Christians, but in this case we should put them first because they are being oppressed. We should always put the oppressed ahead of the oppressors, regardless of their religion.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:55 pm to trackfan
Why would Israel be concerned about equality for Palestinians when they aren't feeling any pressure to do so? All one has to do is look at their reaction to Kerry's statement...which happens to be true. But that's beside the point. They have no motivation to agree to anything or change anything, on any terms other than their own. They don't want peace. And in case Kerry hasn't figured it out, he's wasting his time.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:07 pm to Poodlebrain
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Is putting Christians first the Christian thing to do? Is that what Jesus taught?
No. His disciples didn't know anything about Christianity because it wasn't an official religion at that point, though technically, they were the first Christians.
Jesus taught his followers to put God first and to treat others in the same manner they would want others to treat them. Ralph Wiggum is correct if he means standing up for those who are oppressed.
When one treats others like shite, expect to be treated likewise.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 10:33 pm
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