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New governance system for 5 major Conferences per NCAA
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:54 pm
NCAA ?@NCAA · 8m
DI Board endorses new governance system that provides more flexibility to five major conferences in these areas
DI Board endorses new governance system that provides more flexibility to five major conferences in these areas
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:07 pm to Alahunter
I kinda don't believe it
ETA: I guess it's true. I think it's a good move. It's going to crush the other conferences. You'll see a huge push for Connecticut, Cincinnati, and any other bigger school to join one of those 5 conferences.
Also, what does this mean for basketball? It's going to ruin programs like Marquette, Gonzaga, Wichita State, ect.
ETA: I guess it's true. I think it's a good move. It's going to crush the other conferences. You'll see a huge push for Connecticut, Cincinnati, and any other bigger school to join one of those 5 conferences.
Also, what does this mean for basketball? It's going to ruin programs like Marquette, Gonzaga, Wichita State, ect.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:14 pm to Bama Bird
The other conferences will sue. I'll bet on it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:15 pm to Fun Bunch
And they'll win
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:19 pm to Bama Bird
What's their cause of action? And it's not like the NCAA doesn't already have divisions and subdivisions. How is this different?
The only group that would have any case is the AAC, as they are being excluded and they want in. But conferences like the MAC and the Sun Belt don't WANT to be in this new subdivision as it will be too expensive to maintain their programs.
The only group that would have any case is the AAC, as they are being excluded and they want in. But conferences like the MAC and the Sun Belt don't WANT to be in this new subdivision as it will be too expensive to maintain their programs.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:23 pm to Baloo
I'm thinking about the successful basketball schools that aren't going to provide full cost of tuition and all the other benefits, but do have the money. The NCAA is effectively ruining these programs by doing it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:05 pm to Bama Bird
academic for ,"At Risk" athletes.
lol
lol
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:06 pm to Bama Bird
But aside from the AAC, they don't want to take on the cost of joining the "football subdivision" for lack of a better term.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:11 pm to Bama Bird
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And they'll win
Yep - little doubt about that.
The only way is for the Big 5 to break off and form their own governing organization.
The NCAA has no leverage right now and they know it. If the NCAA were to remain a viable association, the AAC and maybe MWC would have to be brought into the fold....but that would include hefty subsidies for some of those programs.
Most of the football programs in the current CUSA and all of the sunbelt /Mac would regulated to purgatory....between BCS and FCS status.
Basketball will be a huge mess....and I believe this is why you will see governing organizations for football, men's basketball and one more for all other sports.
Also, the current plan if the big 5 is not feasible. It will bankrupt some of the programs....that is why the subsidies and inclusion of non big five programs will be so important.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:11 pm to Alahunter
quote:
Board endorses new governance system
does not mean
quote:
New governance system for 5 major Conferences per NCAA
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:13 pm to Bama Bird
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I'm thinking about the successful basketball schools that aren't going to provide full cost of tuition and all the other benefits, but do have the money. The NCAA is effectively ruining these programs by doing it.
There is nothing stopping them from making the same changes, unless their conference decides to not allow them to do so.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:14 pm to nelatf
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Most of the football programs in the current CUSA and all of the sunbelt /Mac would regulated to purgatory....between BCS and FCS status.
Yea, they shouldn't be in the same league anyway. Are there other sports where a team can win every game they play and have no shot to win the overall championship? Perhaps there are as I didn't give this much thought, but it makes no sense IMO...
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:19 pm to Alahunter
Dont you think theres going to be some schools in the big 5 that will want out because of this?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:27 pm to nelatf
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Yep - little doubt about that.
There's plenty of doubt. So far, no one has even answered my question of what is their cause of action? But even getting past that small threshhold, how is this different than there being FCS and FBS? Different sized programs have different governing needs, and different rules. I think the new Big 5 will have no problem winning a lawsuit, which isn't likely to come anyway, except for perhaps the AAC seeking injunctive relief in the form of being offered the right to join. But the subdivision will not be sued out of existence.
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The only way is for the Big 5 to break off and form their own governing organization.
This makes no sense. So, they can't form a new subdivision within the current NCAA structure, but forming a whole new administrative body from scratch is going to pass legal muster?
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Also, the current plan if the big 5 is not feasible. It will bankrupt some of the programs....that is why the subsidies and inclusion of non big five programs will be so important.
It probably won't, but if schools can't afford it, they won't be a part of it. It is not compulsory. But the conference network contract for football are going for somewhere between 200 and 500 million. Split over 10 to 14 schools, that's $15 to $50 million. And that's new money, they still have their old revenue stream.
A proposed stipend is $2000/schollie, but let's bump it to $20,000 to include a higher stipend and health insurance for ever full scholarship. Let's even pluck a high figure and say a school has 500 full scholarships, which is way too high. Even with those assumptions and estimating on the high side, that's $10 million per school, only half of their new TV money. And we haven't even tapped into their existing revenue streams and the new TV deal for the playoffs.
If this bankrupts a school playing big time college football (Big 5 conference), then they are run by literally the dumbest people on earth.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:29 pm to elprez00
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Dont you think theres going to be some schools in the big 5 that will want out because of this?
Almost certainly not. Maybe a school like Vandy or Wake, but this would be like turning down a $100 million check because you will incur $20 million in expenses.
College football is a billion dollar industry. No one is walking away from the money pipe.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:52 pm to nelatf
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Most of the football programs in the current CUSA and all of the sunbelt /Mac would regulated to purgatory....between BCS and FCS status
Aren't they pretty much already there?
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