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Supreme Court & the affirmitive action vote
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:36 am
LINK
SIAP. Tried to search.
Is this really a game changer in the US? What do you think the implications might be?
SIAP. Tried to search.
Is this really a game changer in the US? What do you think the implications might be?
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:37 am to Cmlsu5618
States can now add similar laws to their books. Pretty awesome if you ask me
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:46 am to geauxtigers87
Sotomayor:
If they were less qualified than other applicants, then good. Now the most qualified applicants will be granted admission regardless of race.
After all, the point of higher education is to educate those qualified and interested in such an education.
The point is not to claim victory for reaching certain quotas of minority students.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
To me, the "content of [your] character" includes the value you place on educating yourself and working to achieve grades that would put you in a position to be accepted into a institution of higher education.
Also, it's not like getting accepted to a college is some insurmountable obstacle these days. We're not living in the 1700's where it's Ivy League schools or bust.
quote:
As a result of the ruling, she said, minority enrollment will decline at Michigan's public universities, just as it has in California and elsewhere. "The numbers do not lie," she said.
If they were less qualified than other applicants, then good. Now the most qualified applicants will be granted admission regardless of race.
After all, the point of higher education is to educate those qualified and interested in such an education.
The point is not to claim victory for reaching certain quotas of minority students.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
To me, the "content of [your] character" includes the value you place on educating yourself and working to achieve grades that would put you in a position to be accepted into a institution of higher education.
Also, it's not like getting accepted to a college is some insurmountable obstacle these days. We're not living in the 1700's where it's Ivy League schools or bust.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:50 am to Cmlsu5618
quote:
Justice Elena Kagan recused herself from the case, presumably because of a conflict of interest from her time as U.S. solicitor general.
But she wouldn't for ObamaCare.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:58 am to Cmlsu5618
From your link:
BOOM.
quote:
The writing appeared to be on the wall at the Supreme Court based on the influence of Chief Justice John Roberts, an opponent of racial preferences who famously wrote in another case several years ago that "the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
BOOM.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:05 am to geauxtigers87
It's not all that surprising that Obama's appointees would not vote with the rest of the justices to uphold the ban on the use of racial preferences in admissions.
LINK
NYT:
In California a few years ago
I think truly progressive states will ban the use of racial preferences in admissions from here on out. Affirmative action will be looked on as backwards and racist in the future and counter productive to the ultimate goal of equal rights and equal opportunity.
LINK
NYT:
quote:
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a Michigan voter initiative that banned racial preferences in admissions to the state’s public universities.
In earlier cases, including one from June concerning the University of Texas, the court has said that race-conscious admissions policies can be constitutionally permissible in states that wish to use them. The new decision concerned the question of whether and how voters may prohibit affirmative action programs.
The vote in the case, Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, No. 12-682, was 6-2. Justice Elena Kagan was recused, presumably because she had worked on the case as United States solicitor general.
In California a few years ago
quote:
The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, in San Francisco, upheld California’s ban on racial preferences in 1997, saying it “would be paradoxical” to rule otherwise. The court reaffirmed that ruling in 2010.
I think truly progressive states will ban the use of racial preferences in admissions from here on out. Affirmative action will be looked on as backwards and racist in the future and counter productive to the ultimate goal of equal rights and equal opportunity.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:10 am to dewster
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:11 am to Cmlsu5618
wehre is LSUBud when you need him?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:19 am to Larry Gooseman
quote:
"the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:27 am to Cmlsu5618
Wow.
There is hope that we might be able to finally do away with state sponsored racism.
ETA: waiting to see if Obama tries to "fix" it with an executive order.
There is hope that we might be able to finally do away with state sponsored racism.
ETA: waiting to see if Obama tries to "fix" it with an executive order.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:40 am to TrueTiger
This ruling may be the silver bullet that saves Rand Paul on CRA '64. If I'm him, I'm critizing this ruling b/c it outlaws affirmative action even for PRIVATE schools.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:43 am to RollTide4Ever
quote:
If I'm him, I'm critizing this ruling b/c it outlaws affirmative action even for PRIVATE schools.
Clever point.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:12 am to Cmlsu5618
This is huge news.. Haven't gotten to read it in its entirety.. But I do agree with the vote.
Sotomayor's dissent is crazy long
She mad.
Sotomayor's dissent is crazy long
She mad.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:16 am to goldenbadger08
quote:
This is huge news
to quote Joe Biden, "this is a big fricking deal"
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:21 am to Cmlsu5618
quote:
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
I guess the dream has come true
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:24 am to RollTide4Ever
quote:
This ruling may be the silver bullet that saves Rand Paul on CRA '64. If I'm him, I'm critizing this ruling b/c it outlaws affirmative action even for PRIVATE schools.
This is interesting. I suppose Rand can now thread the needle between the free market libertarians and an AA supporting left which the latter will dampen the criticism from the left on his libertarian CRA views. Is that right?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:28 am to TrueTiger
I was actually acting as Justice Kennedy writing an opinion for this case in one of my Con Law classes..
Guess I lucked out.
Guess I lucked out.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:29 am to GumboPot
Michigan law dealt with public institutions apparently. But my argument stands.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:56 am to upgrayedd
Took long enough. I'm surprised this isn't a hotter topic on the PT board.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:00 pm to dewster
quote:
Took long enough. I'm surprised this isn't a hotter topic on the PT board.
Surprisingly, no one from the left is arguing for it...yet.
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