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86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers

Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:24 pm
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Buried deep on the website of the U.S. Census Bureau is a number every American citizen, and especially those entrusted with public office, should know. It is 86,429,000.

That is the number of Americans who in 2012 got up every morning and went to work — in the private sector — and did it week after week after week.


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In 2012, according to the Census Bureau, approximately 103,087,000 people worked full-time, year-round in the United States. "A full-time, year-round worker is a person who worked 35 or more hours per week (full time) and 50 or more weeks during the previous calendar year (year round)," said the Census Bureau. "For school personnel, summer vacation is counted as weeks worked if they are scheduled to return to their job in the fall."

Of the 103,087,000 full-time, year-round workers, 16,606,000 worked for the government. That included 12,597,000 who worked for state and local government and 4,009,000 who worked for the federal government.

The 86,429,000 Americans who worked full-time, year-round in the private sector, included 77,392,000 employed as wage and salary workers for private-sector enterprises and 9,037,000 who worked for themselves. (There were also approximately 52,000 who worked full-time, year-round without pay in a family enterprise.)



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The Census Bureau also estimates the size of the benefit-receiving population.

This population, too, falls into two broad categories. The first includes those who receive benefits for public services they performed or in exchange for payroll taxes they dutifully paid their entire working lives. Among these, for example, are those receiving veteran's benefits, those on unemployment and those getting Medicare and Social Security.

The second category includes those who get "means-tested" government benefits — or welfare. These include, for example, those who get Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, public housing, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and Women, Infants Children.

Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10832 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:32 pm to
That which cannot be sustained, won't be.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:35 pm to
Sounds like there is a big tax paying gap here. Obama needs to fix this since he's so against inequality.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:35 pm to
Is this really the scale of the situation? Holy hell
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers
Is that a bad thing?










Just kidding
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:42 pm to
Here is how the study arrived at the 148M

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All told, including both the welfare recipients and the non-welfare beneficiaries, there were 151,014,000 who "received benefits from one or more programs" in the fourth quarter of 2011. Subtract the 3,212,000 veterans, who served their country in the most profound way possible, and that leaves 147,802,000 non-veteran benefit takers.


Forward!
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:57 pm to
This is BS - Who received benefits could be anything, including Donald Trump receiving aid for his hemeroids. This is total bs
Posted by Bengalbadguy
BR
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:22 pm to
So what if I worked in the private sector for a company that received government contracts? How would I be counted?

Are public school teachers considered benefit takers?
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8070 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:47 pm to
Did I read that correctly?

Only people who work 35+ hours for 50 weeks a year are counted?

What about people who are full-time in seasonal industries? Contractors / subcontractors who make good money but have inconsistent work?

Seems like an awfully sketchy set of numbers, IMO...
Posted by PBnJ
in your lunchbox
Member since Aug 2009
2642 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:54 pm to
Does that survey take into consideration those who work 2-3 part time jobs to sustain a liveable wage?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41195 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

This population, too, falls into two broad categories. The first includes those who receive benefits for public services they performed or in exchange for payroll taxes they dutifully paid their entire working lives. Among these, for example, are those receiving veteran's benefits, those on unemployment and those getting Medicare and Social Security.

The second category includes those who get "means-tested" government benefits — or welfare. These include, for example, those who get Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, public housing, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and Women, Infants Children.



What category does my next door neighbor fall in?

She is a stay at home mom with 4 kids, her husband makes over $350K.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65701 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:59 pm to
Probably neither. There's over 300 million of us'ns.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

What about people who are full-time in seasonal industries? Contractors / subcontractors who make good money but have inconsistent work?


pretty sure seasonal workers were eligible for unemployment in the off season until 2012 or so. some may still be.
numbers arent as sketchy as you want to believe.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35495 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:13 pm to
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86M Full-Time Private-Sector Workers Sustain 148M Benefit Takers

A number of people fall into both categories. Walmart employees and such.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8070 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:59 pm to
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pretty sure seasonal workers were eligible for unemployment in the off season until 2012 or so. some may still be.
numbers arent as sketchy as you want to believe.

That was merely one example I came up with.

As far as 'wanting' to believe - I'll believe any credible statistic that has sound methodology.

In regards to this particular article, I have some doubts.
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