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Can the pentagon be politicized?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:35 am
We know the IRS can. We know the CIA can. But this morning I had a disturbing conversation with an officer who works in the Pentagon.
He said "Zach, I can't go into detail and don't ask me any follow up questions. But for the last 3 years newly appointed personnel at the Pentagon have been noticeably liberal and Democrats. They think Obama is great and they don't hide their politics. This is causing friction with the older employees who tend to be conservative or non political and who traditionally don't show political leanings in the workplace."
I respected his wishes and did not press him for further detail.
He also said that the pentagon has gotten accustomed to incremental increases in budgets over the years. Now they are dealing with severe cuts and it's causing morale problems.
He said "Zach, I can't go into detail and don't ask me any follow up questions. But for the last 3 years newly appointed personnel at the Pentagon have been noticeably liberal and Democrats. They think Obama is great and they don't hide their politics. This is causing friction with the older employees who tend to be conservative or non political and who traditionally don't show political leanings in the workplace."
I respected his wishes and did not press him for further detail.
He also said that the pentagon has gotten accustomed to incremental increases in budgets over the years. Now they are dealing with severe cuts and it's causing morale problems.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:36 am to Zach
Yes, the Pentagon has always been extremely political.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:44 am to Zach
If a group or organization has more than two humans, it is political.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:48 am to Zach
My aunt was a higher up at the CIA during the early-mid 90's and she said that politics only played a role in how the "Company" operated when it came down to budgetary concerns.
Otherwise, they didn't care who was HNIC b/c 9/10 times they would dismiss them as just an irritation They always have and always will do their *own* thing despite public outcry to the contrary.
Otherwise, they didn't care who was HNIC b/c 9/10 times they would dismiss them as just an irritation They always have and always will do their *own* thing despite public outcry to the contrary.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:59 am to kingbob
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Yes, the Pentagon has always been extremely political.
Every Prez wants friendly faces in important places!
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:00 am to idlewatcher
quote:This is what I also believe, the President has very little to do with certain projects. I watched something the other day on the Military channel and the project took 20 years to come to fruition.
hey always have and always will do their *own* thing despite public outcry to the contrary.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:06 am to Zach
At him saying he can't go into detail.
It's called political appointees. Not a new concept.
Everyone is feeling the cuts, not just the Pentagon.
It's called political appointees. Not a new concept.
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Now they are dealing with severe cuts and it's causing morale problems.
Everyone is feeling the cuts, not just the Pentagon.
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and who traditionally don't show political leanings in the workplace
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:08 am to Zach
The total transformation of the military won't be complete until a female combat marine is given an abortion during a firefight somewhere.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:26 am to Zach
Ike said it best in his departure from the Presidency as to the military industrial complex. LBJ made a vast fortune on that with the private sale of the old Chrysler tank site to NASA which became the Michoud facility in Chalmette. He had bought the acres and equipment at a fire sale by Chrysler.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:27 am to Zach
DoD is absolutely more politicized then the IRS or CIA. The CIA can insulate itself from a lot of the politics through its secrecy, and besides the Director, most everyone below are careerists. The IRS has been used for political purposes but in general its mandate and budget are very simple.
DoD is much more political because of size. More political appointees, many with little professional military experience. Disgusting careerism in the uniform ranks as the up and out policies of promotion create a shark tank like atmosphere. The size of the budget creates an inherent corruption between defense contractors, congress, and DoD.
It may be more apparent now to uniform members who generally are more conservative, but think for a second about the Republican alumni who served in DoD and how they used their positions to advance their ideological and personal political agendas.
DoD is much more political because of size. More political appointees, many with little professional military experience. Disgusting careerism in the uniform ranks as the up and out policies of promotion create a shark tank like atmosphere. The size of the budget creates an inherent corruption between defense contractors, congress, and DoD.
It may be more apparent now to uniform members who generally are more conservative, but think for a second about the Republican alumni who served in DoD and how they used their positions to advance their ideological and personal political agendas.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:31 am to OleWar
I have known a LOT of military officers in my life. Many are relatives. During active service they were very hesitant to express opinions about politics. After retiring they let fly.
That's why I was surprised that political cheerleading is going on in the Pentagon by people who are actively serving.
That's why I was surprised that political cheerleading is going on in the Pentagon by people who are actively serving.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:37 am to Zach
Pentagon = civilians/military/political appointees/contractors. It's not like everyone walking around the Pentagon is in uniform.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:50 am to Zach
quote:This is a function of younger folks coming into those job IMO. We're witnessing a changing of the guard per se.
During active service they were very hesitant to express opinions about politics. After retiring they let fly.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:53 am to Zach
In the past the policies coming out of DoD were not that radical. The arguments between parties was, what is the better way to kill communists or stop communists, but there was no real argument amongst the adults that communists needed to be stopped.
The Clinton administration certainly rubbed the military the wrong way, but the Generals and Admirals were pretty unified for the most part.
The Iraq war broke the status quo, a large number of senior military officers became extremely pissed about how the war in Iraq was being run, and it created tribes that had never really been seen before. So coming into Obama's term a number of officers who were on the outs were able to capitalize, and others who had seemingly remained neutral saw that one had to do more then their job and began "cheerleading".
Throw into the mix the very high priorities of repealing DADT, opening the ranks to women, budget reductions, the "leaks", an amateurish foreign policy amongst other things and the department begins to become more political.
Credit Obama for giving the Department top cover by having Gates and Hagel as secretaries, but this has caused friction as well as certain important Democrats who were given subordinate duties have been just a little bit pissed at being passed over as well.
The Clinton administration certainly rubbed the military the wrong way, but the Generals and Admirals were pretty unified for the most part.
The Iraq war broke the status quo, a large number of senior military officers became extremely pissed about how the war in Iraq was being run, and it created tribes that had never really been seen before. So coming into Obama's term a number of officers who were on the outs were able to capitalize, and others who had seemingly remained neutral saw that one had to do more then their job and began "cheerleading".
Throw into the mix the very high priorities of repealing DADT, opening the ranks to women, budget reductions, the "leaks", an amateurish foreign policy amongst other things and the department begins to become more political.
Credit Obama for giving the Department top cover by having Gates and Hagel as secretaries, but this has caused friction as well as certain important Democrats who were given subordinate duties have been just a little bit pissed at being passed over as well.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:55 am to dante
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This is what I also believe, the President has very little to do with certain projects. I watched something the other day on the Military channel and the project took 20 years to come to fruition.
I love Military Channel - some great shows on there, although some are misconstruing the facts.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:01 pm to Zach
As I understand it, in the military, the more stars you get on your shoulder, the more liberal you tend to be.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:09 pm to upgrayedd
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As I understand it, in the military, the more stars you get on your shoulder, the more liberal you tend to be.
I don't know about that, but you certainly become more political.
That's why I always chuckle at guys like Wesley Clark who cry loud and long: "I'm not a politician." Those guys became politicians the very second they pinned that chicken on their collar. Maybe even before that, but most certainly then.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:16 pm to Godfather1
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Those guys became politicians the very second they pinned that chicken on their collar.
a.k.a the colonel lobotomy.
For your amusement.
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I called former Congressman and Lt. Col. Allen West (ret.) to get his take on the manual. In a nutshell – he wants a congressional investigation.
“This is the Obama administration’s outreach of social justice into the United States military,” he told me. “Equal Opportunity in the Army that I grew up in did not have anything to do with white privilege.”
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