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Can any employer here please tell me how to hire a women for less than a man?
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:00 am
I have searched and can not find a way to preferentially hire by policy a female at reduced comparative salary to perform the same job that our male employees are filling.
I have run the numbers and with as little as 20% lower salaries I believe our company could overcome the higher rates of sick leave, HR complications, and health insurance costs that we have documented stemming from our female employees.
I have run the numbers and with as little as 20% lower salaries I believe our company could overcome the higher rates of sick leave, HR complications, and health insurance costs that we have documented stemming from our female employees.
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:05 am to Bleeding purple
Progressive talking point with no basis in reality.
Nothing to see here move along
Nothing to see here move along
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:13 am to Bleeding purple
My understanding is that figure includes voluntary time away from the workforce(mom stuff).
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 12:14 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:21 am to ruzil
Well, it's statistically grounded in reality, but much less so for discriminatory reasons than simple gender mechanics.
It often starts with first job interviews, when the men are more assertive and fearless with salary negotiation and women are tentative and complacent. The gap just grows from there.
It often starts with first job interviews, when the men are more assertive and fearless with salary negotiation and women are tentative and complacent. The gap just grows from there.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 12:23 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:43 am to RemouladeSawce
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often starts with first job interviews, when the men are more assertive and fearless with salary negotiation and women are tentative and complacent. The gap just grows from there.
Exactly!!! Women are pussies!!
Posted on 4/5/14 at 6:05 am to Bleeding purple
I managed a bunch of hourly workers for many years, men and women with equal hourly pay. When someone is out sick or on vacation and you need someone to work the OT, guess who works the OT? It wasn't the ladies. They gave up their OT whenever they were next up. When you need someone to work over, because the work isn't caught up, guess who worked over?
The OT pay over the course of the year can add up to thousands of dollars.
The OT pay over the course of the year can add up to thousands of dollars.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 6:28 am to mauser
As a woman I would say that childbirth and staying out of the workforce for periods of time, are the biggest reasons women are not on par in pay. So while a lot of them start at the same pay, those absences held them back.
And if they are single moms, it's harder to work OT.
Also, although it's much rarer these days, working married mothers were the ones that were usually expected to take off when the child was sick. Lots of women got tired of the hassle both at home and work, and just gave up, which took a lot of them out of the market for longer periods of time, or completely.
And if they are single moms, it's harder to work OT.
Also, although it's much rarer these days, working married mothers were the ones that were usually expected to take off when the child was sick. Lots of women got tired of the hassle both at home and work, and just gave up, which took a lot of them out of the market for longer periods of time, or completely.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 6:31 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:35 am to Bleeding purple
Hire someone with less experience....which is generally the case since most women take time of to have kids...some stay at home, etc.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:36 am to redandright
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As a woman
I had no idea....not that it matters.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:47 am to RemouladeSawce
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Well, it's statistically grounded in reality, but much less so for discriminatory reasons than simple gender mechanics.
Discrimination is certainly a factor. There are certain industries/fields which are openly hostile to women and treat them as second class citizens and that skews the market.
If I start out treating my employees equally and the other company in town pays men more, then one of two things will happen. Either my male employees will come back with better offers I have to match, or the other company will hire all of them away at a higher rate and there will be an overall pay gap (with my company having a higher profit).
The real irony is where actual discrimination happens--academia, journalism, Hollywood, and the offices of congressional Democrats. The other irony is that it would be a huge help to women if they had the right to flex time as compensation for working overtime--and it's the left that opposes their right to have that choice.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:49 am to a want
That's mighty white of you 
Thanks. Just think. I could be one of you guys crazy mother or wife. Just trollin' you.
I love the give and take on the Poli Board.
Thanks. Just think. I could be one of you guys crazy mother or wife. Just trollin' you.
I love the give and take on the Poli Board.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 7:51 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:36 am to mauser
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I managed a bunch of hourly workers for many years, men and women with equal hourly pay. When someone is out sick or on vacation and you need someone to work the OT, guess who works the OT? It wasn't the ladies. They gave up their OT whenever they were next up. When you need someone to work over, because the work isn't caught up, guess who worked over?
typically in professional sales environments, women far outwork men on a day to day basis.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:56 am to ForeLSU
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typically in professional sales environments, women far outwork men on a day to day basis.
Are you using total sales for that? Hours worked? Sales made per hour worked?
Or are there just more women in fields like medical device sales?
Posted on 4/5/14 at 8:57 am to redandright
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As a woman I would say
as a man i would say
hey
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:03 am to redandright
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Also, although it's much rarer these days, working married mothers were the ones that were usually expected to take off when the child was sick. Lots of women got tired of the hassle both at home and work, and just gave up, which took a lot of them out of the market for longer periods of time, or completely.
My wife and I take off when the kids are sick based on who has the most sick leave or vacation time remaining or who has the most pressing deadline approaching at work. Not sure why anyone would make this decision based on any other factors.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/5/14 at 2:15 pm to Bleeding purple
When I had my business I looked at the best fit for the position in Sales, Inside Sales, mechanic/tech, and delivery drivers. My compensation depended on market and what the person could do.
Had one female that was a top mechanic and experience as a shop foreman. I paid her a fair base for exp & market she was in plus she made a bonus off the profit of the shop. Got to pay well to keep top talent.
Now the hardest part was I had relations with her when I was 16 years old. At one time I thought she had big assets, but 20 years later things change I guess.
When I hired her 20 years later it was 110% professional due to I learned don't mess with the people that make you money!
Had one female that was a top mechanic and experience as a shop foreman. I paid her a fair base for exp & market she was in plus she made a bonus off the profit of the shop. Got to pay well to keep top talent.
Now the hardest part was I had relations with her when I was 16 years old. At one time I thought she had big assets, but 20 years later things change I guess.
When I hired her 20 years later it was 110% professional due to I learned don't mess with the people that make you money!
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/5/14 at 3:34 pm to Bleeding purple
There is also an IQ factor. Males have a greater dispersal than females. Thus, MANY more Level 1 IQs (the Bell Curve) are male and they make top pay that few women can reach. On the counter, MANY more Level 5 IQs are male and they don't factor into the wage earning calculation because they are either on welfare on in prison.
Women cluster into the middle 2-4. So they are compared with males who are in 1-4.
Women cluster into the middle 2-4. So they are compared with males who are in 1-4.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:42 pm to Zach
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There is also an IQ factor
How much IQ is really a factor I don't know, but a large number of low paying careers both professional and non-professional are dominated by women, such as hotel maids, day care aorkers and school teachers. A large number of high paying careers are dominated by men such as construction work, plant operations and engineering. This really skews the women's vs men's pay average.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 7:48 pm to RemouladeSawce
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It often starts with first job interviews, when the men are more assertive and fearless with salary negotiation and women are tentative and complacent. The gap just grows from there.
Part of the myth too. But something tells me you don't care.
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