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Why Don't the 1 Percent Feel Rich?

Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:58 am
Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:58 am
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The merely rich are making more, but they're not worth more. It's the 0.01 percent that are creating our new Gilded Age.


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It's hard out there for the 1 percent.


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Okay, that's not true at all. But they think it is. If you talk to people on Wall Street, most of them—even, in my experience, the ones shopping for Lamborghinis—will tell you that they're "middle class." Their lament, the lament of the HENRY (short for "high-earner, not rich yet"), goes something like this. You try living on $350,000 a year when you have to pay taxes, the mortgage on the house in a tony zip code, the nanny who knows how to cook ethnic cuisine, the private school tuition from pre-K on, the appropriately exclusive vacation, and max out your retirement and college savings accounts. There just isn't that much cash left over each month once you've spent it all!




Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:02 am to
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You try living on $350,000 a year


Have you ever lived in Manhattan you dolt?

350k for a family IS middle class, and he isnt buying lambos.

Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:05 am to
So what? What impact does their lamenting have on the next person?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:06 am to
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the ones shopping for Lamborghinis


Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4584 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:07 am to
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So what? What impact does their lamenting have on the next person?


None really, other than coming across as a D-bag.
Posted by SettleDown
Everywhere
Member since Nov 2013
1333 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:07 am to
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Why Don't the 1 Percent Feel Rich?


Well. For starters, we need to exapand our terminology.

What does someone making $350K per year in income have in common with Bill Gates? Or hell, what does he have in common with Peyton Manning?

Answer: Absolutely nothing. And yet, we use the same terms for them. They're both "rich". Pfft.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:14 am to
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Have you ever lived in Manhattan you dolt?

350k for a family IS middle class, and he isnt buying lambos.




Sounds like a good reason to not live in Manhattan.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:16 am to
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Sounds like a good reason to not live in Manhattan.


it is...but claiming that such a person is rich supporting a family on 350k is ludicrous.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50513 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:17 am to
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$350,000 a year


I would be just fine if my wife and I were combining to make this much per year.

But I don't live in New York so I don't think that relates.

ETA: I agree with other posters that this is a very small amount of money when compared to Bill Gates.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:19 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57269 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:18 am to
stupid article. When $350k/yr and a Bill Gates are lumped in together, the very definition of "rich" is meaningless. (credit ShortyRob)
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:19 am to
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stupid article. When $350k/yr and a Bill Gates are lumped in together, the very definition of "rich" is meaningless. (credit ShortyRob)


Yeah. I'm still around.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:24 am to
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it is...but claiming that such a person is rich supporting a family on 350k is ludicrous.



Not saying it is rich especially factoring in cost of living but the median household income for New York in 2012 was 56K.

So 350k still puts you firmly in the upper tier, call it upper middle class if you don't want to say rich.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:25 am
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:29 am to
Because of the amount of money paid by them every year in all of the taxes across the board collected from them by the Feds and state and every one else with a greedy hand sifting through their wallets.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:55 am to
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So 350k still puts you firmly in the upper tier, call it upper middle class if you don't want to say rich.
I use the term "well off".

But, of course, even that term varies widely from location to location and even within a single location.

I mean, a guy making $125K there is doing pretty well and, a guy making $700K would still be "well off". But, they really don't have much in common with each other either.

The reality is, all of the terms purveyed out there that the public has fallen into using also are dumb because they imply "cut off" points where none exist.

Moreover, there' sa problem with using income in any given year to assess. Answer me this one.

Two guys. A and B.

A - made 300K this in his small business when it's popularity took off after 5 straight years of never breaking $80K net.

B - Has made between $150K and $175K for the last 10 years and unlike the business owner, his job has a stable income that short of getting fired, he can anticipate receiving for the next 10 years.

Who is "richer"? Now, who likely got taxed THIS YEAR as if he were "richer"?
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:56 am
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:04 am to
Everyone, I think we are getting too much in the weeds and distracted from the main point:

These people have too much money and we need to take it. Take from the .01% because they really have the cash, and take from the 1% high earning but not rich yet (HENRY) because they are douche bags lamborgini-buying jerks.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57269 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:06 am to
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Yeah. I'm still around.
hope all is well.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 11:07 am
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:06 pm to
Let me clarify something for those of you not living in NYC on the costs of living there (you can extend the same commentary on $350k a year to Queens, Brooklyn as well).

A 2 bedroom, 800sq ft apartment is about $1.3M. Just like BR or Houston or anywhere else in the nation, you're probably going to want to be in a neighborhood where you can at least send your kids to a good public school where they won't get stabbed, so that is the cost. You may be able to get down to $850k in Brooklyn or queens, but that's still a frickton of money.

After 20% down on a jumbo loan, you're looking at your apartment note being $5,200 a month. Add to that about $800/month in a maintenance fee that all buildings charge. Now you're up to $6k and you haven't turned on the lights. Now add:
- $1,200 to feed a family of four (Very basic diet)
- $600 in combined cable, internet, phone, cell phones, electricity, heat, gas etc.
- $450 in a car payment for a used SUV
- $400/mo to park that SUV
- $2000/ month to send your kid to daycare. ONE child. That's how much it costs.

Combine all that shite up and you're up to $130k a year in costs. Guess what, you're fricked by city, state, and federal income tax. Combine that with your benefits package at work and you need $200k a year, and that's how much it costs to get up in the morning.

This does not include:
- going out to dinner
- one beer, or one bottle of wine
- any premium channels on your cable bill.

$200 fricking K.

That's why I moved out, which I consider the smart decision. BUT....y'all need to understand what the cost of living is in NY, LA, SF....and those are the places where the 5% are concentrated.

Compare that with a place like BR or NOLA and you can probably get away with $130k to afford all that shite. Remember that's ONE car, not two

NOW that being said, you're not even saving much for anything else. Once you get to a 2600 sq foot place and two cars and two kids in daycare you could easily need $400k just to pay the bills and go out to dinner 3x a month.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:12 pm to
I've always suspected many who use the term 1% were guilty of class envy, this thread is just validating some of it.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:20 pm to
in my experience, people like to think they are better than average but not in the top 1%.

Daniel kahnmeman (sic) has some stuff written about this, I would post but no one will read it.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57269 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:25 pm to
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I've always suspected many who use the term 1% were guilty of class envy, this thread is just validating some of it.
There has never in the history of America been a better time to be "poor" than now.

I try to count the things I do have, rather what I don't have relative to "the rich".
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