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Teddy Bridgewater available at #27
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:23 am
Here's the scenario...
-your QB is 35 years old, he's an 8 time Pro Bowler and 2 time NFL MVP
-your team just won it's third consecutive division title and 4th straight playoff year but has not gotten past the Division round of playoffs
-your team finished the season 3rd in total offense & 8th in total defense
-you have two 1000 yard receivers, you have a solid O line that only allowed 14 sacks
-a QB that until the time of the draft was in discussion as the possible #1 overall pick is now available at #24
-you had that QB pegged as a Top 15 minimum
-the next player available you had ranked as #29 overall
What do you do? Recognize the scenario? It was the famous Aaron Rodgers tumble in 2005. A pretty similar team scenario exists here.
Simple question- If any of Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater slipped to #27 somehow and there was no trade partner found to move up for the spot, do you take the quarterback?
-your QB is 35 years old, he's an 8 time Pro Bowler and 2 time NFL MVP
-your team just won it's third consecutive division title and 4th straight playoff year but has not gotten past the Division round of playoffs
-your team finished the season 3rd in total offense & 8th in total defense
-you have two 1000 yard receivers, you have a solid O line that only allowed 14 sacks
-a QB that until the time of the draft was in discussion as the possible #1 overall pick is now available at #24
-you had that QB pegged as a Top 15 minimum
-the next player available you had ranked as #29 overall
What do you do? Recognize the scenario? It was the famous Aaron Rodgers tumble in 2005. A pretty similar team scenario exists here.
Simple question- If any of Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater slipped to #27 somehow and there was no trade partner found to move up for the spot, do you take the quarterback?
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:26 am to blueslover
I think you would have to.
It doesn't help us win a super bowl this year, which really sucks. It may give the franchise stability for the next 15 years.
It doesn't help us win a super bowl this year, which really sucks. It may give the franchise stability for the next 15 years.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:27 am to blueslover
No, because there way QB's are coming out now, they're ready to play a lot sooner. If you're not satisfied with the progression of Griffin after the next 2 seasons (if he's around), then I think you go after a guy.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:30 am to blueslover
This is going to be my draft day prediction/hope Blu.
That a QB falls to us and is in play for a trade with a team high in the second round. Multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks would be ideal for the Saints and this years draft. We could add a impact WR and LB'er while adding early round depth for the guard and ILB positions going into next year.
But to your OP I would say no.
That a QB falls to us and is in play for a trade with a team high in the second round. Multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks would be ideal for the Saints and this years draft. We could add a impact WR and LB'er while adding early round depth for the guard and ILB positions going into next year.
But to your OP I would say no.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:35 am to blueslover
I've come to the realization that everyone on this board is against taking a QB until three or four years after Brees is gone because all you have to do is take a QB in the first round and they will be an all time great pro bowler. 
People should really look at teams that didn't wait too long to get a QB. Tom Brady was taken when NE had Bledsoe. Kapernick was taken when SF had Alex Smith. SF got Young to back up Montana. Aaron Roger fell to GB when they had Favre. SD got Philip Rivers when they had Drew Brees. Tony Romo was brought in when Dallas had Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchenson, Vinny Testiverde and Drew Bledsoe. Alright, bad example.
But drafting a QB to sit isn't a bad idea now that rookie contracts don't strangle your francise.
That being said, I'd rather take a first round CB/WR and a later round QB.
People should really look at teams that didn't wait too long to get a QB. Tom Brady was taken when NE had Bledsoe. Kapernick was taken when SF had Alex Smith. SF got Young to back up Montana. Aaron Roger fell to GB when they had Favre. SD got Philip Rivers when they had Drew Brees. Tony Romo was brought in when Dallas had Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchenson, Vinny Testiverde and Drew Bledsoe. Alright, bad example.
But drafting a QB to sit isn't a bad idea now that rookie contracts don't strangle your francise.
That being said, I'd rather take a first round CB/WR and a later round QB.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:36 am to Suntiger
Bridgewater will not be available at 27.
If you learned anything from the draft once a run of players start going people start reaching. Bridgewater will go top 10
If you learned anything from the draft once a run of players start going people start reaching. Bridgewater will go top 10
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:37 am to blueslover
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Teddy Bridgewater
Bust waiting to happen
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:37 am to goatmilker
quote:
This is going to be my draft day prediction/hope Blu.
That a QB falls to us and is in play for a trade with a team high in the second round. Multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks would be ideal for the Saints and this years draft. We could add a impact WR and LB'er while adding early round depth for the guard and ILB positions going into next year.
But to your OP I would say frick no.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:39 am to blueslover
Man, this topic looks familiar!
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I got my arse handed to me for asking if we should pick a QB after the 2nd round. You have a scenario in the 1st.
BTW...the "experts" aren't convinced Bridgewater is any better than the so-called 2nd tier QBs. I think he has the highest risk factor of the top 10 QBs and his Pro Day was a foreshadowing of what's to come.
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I got my arse handed to me for asking if we should pick a QB after the 2nd round. You have a scenario in the 1st.
BTW...the "experts" aren't convinced Bridgewater is any better than the so-called 2nd tier QBs. I think he has the highest risk factor of the top 10 QBs and his Pro Day was a foreshadowing of what's to come.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:40 am to blueslover
Do not want. Even a little.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:41 am to whodatfan
To Sun's point I don't think we are opposed to finding good value in the draft in later rounds for the QB position.
But in a win now mode using a 1st rounder for one is not the way to go just yet. Or what WDF said.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:43 am to Suntiger
quote:No one is saying that. What we're saying is that it's a waste to draft a player that likely won't see the field for at least 3 years in the first round. And he may not even be a good player.
I've come to the realization that everyone on this board is against taking a QB until three or four years after Brees is gone because all you have to do is take a QB in the first round and they will be an all time great pro bowler.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:48 am to blueslover
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-the next player available you had ranked as #29 overall
This part of your scenario doesn't make any sense. If you are at pick #27 then the lowest ranked player it is possible to be left on the board is the #27 overall player. And that number would probably be higher because everyone elses board would have to include the same top 27 players as you for that to happen.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:48 am to blueslover
I would not pick a QB in the first. There are higher needs--go with the highest need or best available, and that won't be a QB.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:50 am to Suntiger
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People should really look at teams that didn't wait too long to get a QB. Tom Brady was taken when NE had Bledsoe. Kapernick was taken when SF had Alex Smith. SF got Young to back up Montana. Aaron Roger fell to GB when they had Favre. SD got Philip Rivers when they had Drew Brees. Tony Romo was brought in when Dallas had Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchenson, Vinny Testiverde and Drew Bledsoe. Alright, bad example.
alot of bad examples actually. brady was a late round pick, alex smith sucked and a new coach was coming in, brees sucked until rivers was drafted, favre kept saying he was retiring every year, romo was undrafted and all of those qbs sucked.
nowhere near the situation the saints are in.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:51 am to Melvin
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No one is saying that. What we're saying is that it's a waste to draft a player that likely won't see the field for at least 3 years in the first round. And he may not even be a good player.
I agree with this. If there's someone in the later rounds that they're high on, Payton will go after him. The last thing the FO wants to do is piss off Brees by bringing in a 1st round QB. He's been there and done that and I'm sure it wouldn't set well with him.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:54 am to Peazey
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This part of your scenario doesn't make any sense. If you are at pick #27 then the lowest ranked player it is possible to be left on the board is the #27 overall player. And that number would probably be higher because everyone elses board would have to include the same top 27 players as you for that to happen.
It's those damn compensatory picks!!!! Maybe Goodell got the Cowboys a few extra picks in the first just for laughs knowing Jones will screwed it up.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:57 am to diat150
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alot of bad examples actually
agreed. not one of those cases applies to us.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:58 am to Melvin
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No one is saying that. What we're saying is that it's a waste to draft a player that likely won't see the field for at least 3 years in the first round.
I don't think we should spend a first round pick on a QB. But if SP is convinced he has the Saints next starting QB picked out of this draft class, take him.
I'd rather a QB sit the bench for three of four years than spend 10 years sucking while we go through Billy Jo Tolliver, Kerry Collins and Danny Wurffuels again.
It's not a waste if it keeps your franchise from a decade of QB searching like Buffalo, Cleveland or Miami.
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And he may not even be a good player.
I'm not really sold on Bridgewater, but I'll trust the coach and front office when picking a QB. For example, I think A. Murray is a middle of the road QB. But if we take him in the second or third, I won't complain.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:01 am to Patrick O Rly
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No, because there way QB's are coming out now, they're ready to play a lot sooner. If you're not satisfied with the progression of Griffin after the next 2 seasons (if he's around), then I think you go after a guy.
Exactly. These days you don't pick a guy like that to let him sit the bench for three years. Griffin is that kind of guy. The only value I see there would be picking him and then immediately fielding offers to either directly trade him or trade back.
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