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Are Republicans going to start breaking off and opposing repeal of Obamacare?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:10 pm
The White House victory lap over 7 million enrollments and media types pushing the "7 million people are now dependent on Obamacare for their health coverage" narrative, I am starting to expect Republicans to one by one, break away from the repeal bandwagon and instead start hopping onto the "fix/tweak" bandwagon.
Face it, most Republicans are spineless cowards and are going to start buying into the "too many people are now dependent on Obamacare and its becoming more popular by the day" tripe now.
I expect one by one, for Republicans to start dropping like flies and touting the "We can't repeal now, the only thing we can do now is fix/tweak it" bullshite.
It's coming. They will start falling in line. The question is will the folding come from the moderate blue state Republicans, or the leadership?
Face it, most Republicans are spineless cowards and are going to start buying into the "too many people are now dependent on Obamacare and its becoming more popular by the day" tripe now.
I expect one by one, for Republicans to start dropping like flies and touting the "We can't repeal now, the only thing we can do now is fix/tweak it" bullshite.
It's coming. They will start falling in line. The question is will the folding come from the moderate blue state Republicans, or the leadership?
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:16 pm to goldennugget
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I am starting to expect Republicans to one by one, break away from the repeal bandwagon and instead start hopping onto the "fix/tweak" bandwagon.
You mean switch from a postion that was never attainable in the first place and entirely lip serice, to one that could actually happen?
fricking cowards!!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:19 pm to MSMHater
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You mean switch from a postion that was never attainable in the first place and entirely lip serice, to one that could actually happen?
fricking cowards!!
Wow so you are basically saying Ted Cruz was right
Cruz et al were correct that the only realistic way to defeat Obamacare was before millions became reliant on its entitlements…
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:23 pm to goldennugget
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Face it, most Republicans are spineless cowards and are going to start buying into the "too many people are now dependent on Obamacare and its becoming more popular by the day" tripe now.
The only people "on it" that would be "off it" would be folks that got to be part of the medicare expansion. The folks that pay for their coverage would still have said coverage, unless they have a pre-existing condition I suppose.
The program should be tweaked a great deal, and the best way to do that is to repeal and put new legislation through.
The issue is that insurance companies that were originally TOTALLY AGAINST Obamacare, and now FOR it because they spent all this damn money re-adjusting their actuary tables, expense charts, etc. They don't want to have to do that again, so that money is now on the side to NOT REPEAL.
It makes it into a huge mess of people/businesses that really aren't for the new law, but have to be because it would cost them millions and millions to switch to something else.
That's the problem with creating bad policy, it's very tough to change even though so many people dislike it.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:30 pm to goldennugget
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I am starting to expect Republicans to one by one, break away from the repeal bandwagon and instead start hopping onto the "fix/tweak" bandwagon.
What do you mean break away? That's always been the establishment position. They never supported the repeal/defund efforts which is why they always failed.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:32 pm to constant cough
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What do you mean break away? That's always been the establishment position. They never supported the repeal/defund efforts which is why they always failed.
I agree that was the position behind closed doors, but they all still ran ads touting about how anti-Obamacare they were.
My question is when will they make the "tweek, not repeal" stance their public stance, and demonize those who oppose it?
We already see that with entitlements like social security and medicare. A lot of establishment Republicans don't want those programs touched and will vilify anyone who wants them to be reduced or eliminated.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:33 pm to goldennugget
quote:Almost half of those were by people who are on Medicaid. Whee!!! Free insurance!!!
over 7 million enrollments
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:34 pm to goldennugget
If they do Thad will lead the charge
Posted on 4/1/14 at 3:45 pm to LSURussian
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Almost half of those were by people who are on Medicaid. Whee!!! Free insurance!!!
Ohhhhh noooooo, the less fortunate get the chance to receive healthcare
the horror!
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:15 pm to goldennugget
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Wow so you are basically saying Ted Cruz was right
His "brilliant move" would have required Obama to sign-off on repealing Obama-care. I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.
The realistic way is to win elecitons, gain majorities in the House and Senate and take the presidency - then overturn it and "replace" it with one of the many thorough and well thought-out (lulz) alternatives proposed by the GOP over the last few years.
Cruz is just a side-show for your entertainment. That shtick was just so you'll vote for him in 2016.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:28 pm to goldennugget
Frankly I don't believe any of the enrollment numbers. Obama is a well documented habitual liar and everyone in his admin and the compliant news media have their marching orders. We need to repeal the steaming pile of poo that is Obamacare before the liberals railroad single payer up our asses.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:05 pm to a want
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His "brilliant move" would have required Obama to sign-off on repealing Obama-care. I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.
Only because enough public pressure hasn't been mounted. He new the establishment republicans weren't backing Cruz so no it wasn't going to happen as long as that was the case.
But if republicans had thrown their full weight behind the effort and bothered to educate the public then enough pressure could have been mounted. And at that point if Obama still refused to to sign the repeal bill then that is when you move forward with impeachment.
As long as there is public support for repeal it can be done but you have to go out there and let the public know you're serious about it. The republican establishment sent the message that they were against repeal/defund and well here we are.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:11 pm to goldennugget
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Cruz et al were correct that the only realistic way to defeat Obamacare was before millions became reliant on its entitlements…
No, the only realistic way to "beat it" was to do so before it eve passed. Reid et al pulled some dirty shennigans with Senate rules, so we're fricked and stuck with it. I have no doubt that Karma will come back to bite the Dems in the arse for that. Whether that's for tax cuts, entitlement cuts, immigration, whatever. Republicans won't forget that bullshite procedural move, and will do it themselves at some point.
I would be absolutely shocked if the power balance in DC EVER again tipped to a point where Republicans could get the votes for a full repeal. That was a pipe dream from the moment it passed, and the reps that said it wasn't were just pandering to you.
At this point, all you can do is treat the symptoms of the disease (ACA) and hope it doesn't kill you.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:34 pm to MSMHater
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:41 pm to KosmoCramer
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The only people "on it" that would be "off it" would be folks that got to be part of the medicare expansion.
Medicaid.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:43 pm to NHTIGER
My fault, yes Medicaid.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 5:52 pm to a want
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The realistic way is to win elecitons, gain majorities in the House and Senate and take the presidency - then overturn it and "replace" it with one of the many thorough and well thought-out (lulz) alternatives proposed by the GOP over the last few years.
Actually, I oppose that as well. frick "Repeal and Replace". It should be just "repeal". If anything, healthcare should be opened up more to the private sector and allow insurers to sell across state lines.
When will you morons understand that we do not have the demographics, tax bases and lifestyles needed to maintain any gov't subsidized and managed healthcare system in an efficient way and with no gov't abuse coming from it that will not put us under crushing debt?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:00 pm to MJM
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Ohhhhh noooooo, the less fortunate get the chance to receive healthcare
the horror!
That is horse shite because they got health care anyway and frick you and your generosity with other people's money.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:18 pm to gthog61
When are the Republicans going to let us buy across state lines?
Mississippi is the 3rd highest in the country. Texas has some fantastic rates.
Mississippi is the 3rd highest in the country. Texas has some fantastic rates.
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