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On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?



The argument that they have a choice to pay the tax is completely bogus. Does the government have the power to violate your rights simply by offering you the alternative to pay a tax?

If the government told media companies they must read from a script when reporting on the White House, or pay a tax, is that not violation of their rights under the Constitution?

How about the Government requires you to buy a gun and keep it in your house for protection or pay a tax. Is that not a violation of your rights?

How is telling an employer they must include something some people feel is against their religious beliefs in healthcare benefits or pay a tax not a violation of the constitution?

Edumacate me please.







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re: On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?


govt is allowed to tax your activities to make you change your behavior.





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Captain Rumbeard
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OK that's just lovely.

Writers of the Constitution are rolling over in their graves.






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Chimlim
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It is completely unconstitutional and it goes against everything America was built on. This is why big government is dangerous, they don't stop. If we give them an inch they take a mile. This is what happens when people vote because of free shite.





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matthew25
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re: On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?


I have never seen a corporation in church.

Corporations have no 5th Amendment rights, according to the Supreme Ct.







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BayouBandit24
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How is telling an employer they must include something some people feel is against their religious beliefs in healthcare benefits or pay a tax not a violation of the constitution?


SC courts says it isn't, so it isn't. That's all we need to know






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Zach
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SC courts says it isn't, so it isn't. That's all we need to know


SC minus lesbians = opposite. I've been warning you people about lesbians for 10 years. But did you listen? Noooo.






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SpidermanTUba
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The argument that they have a choice to pay the tax is completely bogus. Does the government have the power to violate your rights simply by offering you the alternative to pay a tax?


The government isn't violating anyone's rights.

Scalia said it best:


"The rule respondents favor would open the prospect of constitutionally required religious exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind, ranging from compulsory military service, to the payment of taxes, to health and safety regulation such as manslaughter and child neglect laws, compulsory vaccination laws, drug laws, and traffic laws; to social welfare legislation such as minimum wage laws, child labor laws, animal cruelty laws, environmental protection laws, and laws providing for equality of opportunity for the races."



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re: On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?


Government is basically telling Hobby Lobby to either offer coverage that goes against their religious beliefs or pay a tax.

Care to explain how that is not violating Hobby Lobby's religious rights?






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Captain Rumbeard
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re: On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?


So you'd be perfectly OK with this then.

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How about the Government requires you to buy a gun and keep it in your house for protection or pay a tax.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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re: On the Hobby Lobby case, how is it not unconstitutional coercion?


The more correct analogy would be the government requires all employers to provide the money for their employees to buy a gun or pay a tax.





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Captain Rumbeard
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Guess that's OK since Obamacare is.





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Alabama Slim
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Government is basically telling Hobby Lobby to either offer coverage that goes against their religious beliefs or pay a tax.


hobby lobby has no religious beliefs






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MMauler
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The more correct analogy would be the government requires all employers to provide the money for their employees to buy a gun or pay a tax.



Or, the government requires that the employer must actually buy each employee a fully automatic machine gun -- with no less than a 100 round capacity -- or pay a tax.





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udtiger
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Corporations have no 5th Amendment rights, according to the Supreme Ct.


BUT, they have 1st Amendment rights (Citizens United).

Wanna guess which one has "freedom of religion" in it (1st or 5th)?






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GoCrazyAuburn
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hobby lobby has no religious beliefs


Why not?



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Taxing Authority
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govt is allowed to tax your activities to make you change your behavior.
This a perversion. The purpose of the tax code should be to raise revenue in the least obtrusive manner to they taxpayer.






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hobby lobby has no religious beliefs
Why are they closed on Sunday?

Clearly, they do.






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Sentrius
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hobby lobby has no religious beliefs


Splain yourself.






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