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Please elaborate. What you're saying is contrary to my own research.






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Maxx99
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Its up to parents to monitor what content is being taught.

You cannot monitor what you cannot see or hear. I cannot comment on Common Core, but re: CSCOPE, parents were originally not given access to the lesson plans, supposedly due to “intellectual property concerns.” It was hidden in a veil of secrecy. CSCOPE has been strategically rebranded as TEKS Resource System.

Here are some comments from reviewers on the committee formed by the Texas SBOE:
On the lack of transparency:“Some of our most qualified reviewers felt handicapped in their work due to not having the full documentation with the supplemental addendum of supporting aids included with the CSCOPE lesson plan materials.”

“Other than handouts, posters, computer research of undeterminable content or material written on the board, unless the student is allowed to bring all the material disseminated in a class home, it is impossible to know what “history” is being learned or for that matter, being taught. This is the greatest drawback of not having textbooks. At least with textbooks, a parent could read what the student is required to read. This brings me to the obvious: the student doesn’t have to read. Reading stimulates the brain and requires discipline. Effective reading is essential to be successful in virtually all careers. CSCOPE has tossed reading out the window in favor of group chit-chat sessions where the students are expected to teach the students."

On the US Government curriculum: "The curriculum is not rigorous enough for seniors in high school; very light weight. One panelist even thought that it was for a lower grade level."

"Really strong instructors would be needed to overcome the weaknesses in the curriculum."

On economics: “Lesson one assumes that the FDIC is infallible and will always bailout insolvent banks and protect savers."

On world history: “Some panel members felt strongly that inappropriate levels of political correctness prevented objective and accurate presentation.”

CSCOPE Review



i teach hs chem and i can tell you right now cscope is a complete fricking joke ...

as for cc, it's not a curriculum, as many have pointed out ... i don't like cc because it's just another federal intrusion, but there are schools in louisiana teaching that man and dinosaurs walked the earth together, so what's the difference from a liberal interpretation of the 2nd amendment? ...
i do laugh at the "conservative" who bitch about "liberal" teachings ... most of you "conservatives" aren't conservative at all ... you're Republicans who have no more in common with conservatism than libs and Democrats ... so many of you "conservatives" want school choice, but you keep voting for republicans, who seldom ever support real school choice ... that would mean a lot of Republican principals/superintendents/etc might lose their jobs, and Republicans are just as supportive of big government as the Dems are ...






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NC_Tigah
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this has not a damn thing to do with common core!
Common Core is not a curriculum. It is a set of standards around which curricula must be built to ensure that students meet those standards. When claims are made as to programs aligned to the Common Core, the truth is that no such curriculum exists off the shelf. For example, that's why I asked CC proponents exactly what texts or programs they were referencing earlier in the thread.

CC standards are designed to interface across disciplines. In theory, 19th century US history is taught in social studies at the same time 19th century US lit is being covered in English class. That's a good thing. Laudable.

CC stds are also designed to encourage students to engage more deeply and critically with the material they are learning. That should be a good thing.

But the devil is in the details. The CC technique for encouraging students to "engage more critically" can entail presenting marginal material along side quality sources as equivalent to stimulate student involvement. Much as with teaching Creationism along side Evolution, it enables predisposed students to accept BS as legitimized classroom material. In this case, that's how the OP has to do with CC.

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common core standards pertain only to English and math
Standards include: English Language arts, History/Social Studies, Science, Mathematics, and Technical Subjects ( LINK)






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No, the meaning is that the REASON we have the right to bear arms

No it isn't.


So you're contending the meaning is the contradictory opposite of what was stated only a couple sentences earlier in the same paragraph.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.


We should definitely go with what posters on TD.com say the text implies rather than what it explicitly states - that the first 8 amendments are PERSONAL liberties.



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Socratics
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re: Common core continues to indoctrinate the young, with bogus history


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But the devil is in the details. The CC technique for encouraging students to "engage more critically" can entail presenting marginal material along side quality sources as equivalent to stimulate student involvement. Much as with teaching Creationism along side Evolution, it enables predisposed students to accept BS as legitimized classroom material. In this case, that's how the OP has to do with CC.


Explain this to me again. I genuinely don't understand what you are talking about.

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Standards include: English Language arts, History/Social Studies, Science, Mathematics, and Technical Subjects


Common Core State Standard for English language arts & literacy in history/Social Studies, Science, and technical Subjects.

The way you write it matters in this case. They are still standards for English Language and Literacy and not for history/social studies, Science, or technical subjects.

Freedman, Russell. Freedom Walkers:
The Story of the Montgomery Bus Boycott

Mackay, Donald. The Building of Manhattan

Elementary Particles.” New Book of Popular Science

Mann, Charles C. Before Columbus: The Americas of 1491


None of the information provided by these books is part of common core. Do you have a problem with any of these books on the CC list NC_Tigah? I looked at the reviews and customer ratings at some of these books. They are 4* or higher with a good chunk of them being award winning. Usually you can spot books that have politically learnings in customer reviews.







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Maxx99
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re: Common core continues to indoctrinate the young, with bogus history


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i teach hs chem and i can tell you right now cscope is a complete fricking joke ...
Thanks for your perspective.
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i do laugh at the "conservative" who bitch about "liberal" teachings ... most of you "conservatives" aren't conservative at all ... you're Republicans who have no more in common with conservatism than libs and Democrats ...
Well, since you replied to me on this, I'll address it from my perspective.

I think you will find that most on this board know all too well that "republican" and "conservative" are not synonyms.
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so many of you "conservatives" want school choice, but you keep voting for republicans, who seldom ever support real school choice
Like most people, my views rarely fall in lock step with any one candidate. But our choices are so limited and the third party candidates have not made as many strides as some of us would like to see. Sadly, too much campaign money is tied to being an "R" or "D".
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[school choice] would mean a lot of Republican principals/superintendents/etc might lose their jobs, and Republicans are just as supportive of big government as the Dems are ..
Umm, not necessarily. People like me who choose private school are actually contributing to a growing job market for those who are committed to a more conservative and workable academia. School choice with vouchers would only grow that market.

I'd eat government cheese and live in a van down by the river if I had to in order to scrape enough money together to send my kids to the school of my choice (OK, maybe the govt cheese part is rhetorical). So yes, I absolutely support school choice. I support it for all children, regardless whether their parents/guardians have the means to send them elsewhere. I think it hasn't gained more traction because the implementation is perceived as unwieldy and may produce some adverse unintended consequences. But hey, they did it with Obamacare.






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