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Ukrainian soldier killed in Crimea base; PM says conflict is now military
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:34 am
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Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said on Tuesday that the conflict in its Crimea peninsula, now under Russian control, had entered a military phase after an Ukrainian officer was killed in an alleged Russian shooting at a Crimea base.
"The conflict is moving from a political one to a military one because of Russian soldiers," he told a meeting at Ukraine's defense ministry. "Today, Russian soldiers began shooting at Ukrainian servicemen and this is a war crime without any expiry under a statute of limitations."
Yatseniuk said he had ordered Ukraine's defense minister to call a meeting with his counterparts from Britain, France, and Russia - signatories to a 1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine's borders to "prevent an escalation of the conflict".
Earlier, a military spokesman said a Ukrainian officer was killed in a shooting at a military facility on the outskirts of the Crimean capital Simferopol, but it was unclear who was behind the incident.
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I expect some shooting to happen in Crimea as the Russians begin pushing out the Ukrainian military that are still in the bases.
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Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:35 am to GetCocky11
New Red line
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:37 am to GetCocky11
I wonder if this will be the first of many dominos to fall? 
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:44 am to GetCocky11
Just the opening Putin was waiting for.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:46 am to GetCocky11
Can they not shoot back?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:47 am to GetCocky11
America is on this. Putin will learn the hard way. If he thinks he can break International Law and invade sovereign countries without an intense flurry of words and letters from our direction he is sadly mistaken.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:48 am to Col reb 2011
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Can they not shoot back?
I'm sure they probably could. However, they are probably aware that they would be wiped out in any firefight.
I can't even imagine how tense and crappy it is to be a Ukrainian soldier in Crimea right now.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:54 am to GetCocky11
There is nothing for them to do but vacate Crimea and leave it to the Russians.
The West, under US leadership, will not go to war over Crimea, under any circumstances.
However, it is time for the USA to prepare for war in order to protect NATO nations, and to bring Ukraine into NATO as soon as possible.
The West, under US leadership, will not go to war over Crimea, under any circumstances.
However, it is time for the USA to prepare for war in order to protect NATO nations, and to bring Ukraine into NATO as soon as possible.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:56 am to GetCocky11
Haha good point.. I would hate to be "that guy" who fired the first shot
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:03 pm to GetCocky11
well here we go
Im sure Putin will say it was the "local" defense force expelling a foreign army.
Im sure Putin will say it was the "local" defense force expelling a foreign army.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:05 pm to Col reb 2011
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Haha good point.. I would hate to be "that guy" who fired the first shot
Way to go Demitri, you just got every body killed, and we're all out of pierogies.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:05 pm to Paluka
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I wonder if this will be the first of many dominos to fall?
Google "Gleiwitz incident".
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:08 pm to Champagne
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bring Ukraine into NATO as soon as possible.
Is Ukraine independence worth the price of young Americans' blood?
What type of government would we be protecting in Ukraine? Would they be worthy of our sacrifice?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Is Ukraine independence worth the price of young Americans' blood?
What type of government would we be protecting in Ukraine? Would they be worthy of our sacrifice?
the world is over populated, we are due for another global war to help kill off some numbers....
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:18 pm to GetCocky11
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I can't even imagine how tense and crappy it is to be a Ukrainian soldier in Crimea right now.
Saw on the news this morning that Ukraine has called up 40,000 reservists.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Is Ukraine independence worth the price of young Americans' blood?
Is Polish independence worth the price of American blood?
Is Estonian independence worth the price of American blood?
Is Czech independence worth the price of American Blood?
Is Hungarian independence worth th price of American blood?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
bring Ukraine into NATO
1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine's borders to "prevent an escalation of the conflict"
So they have not come to NATO and joined in 20 years? Now with trouble at the door step you want others to jump through hoops for them?
1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine's borders to "prevent an escalation of the conflict"
So they have not come to NATO and joined in 20 years? Now with trouble at the door step you want others to jump through hoops for them?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:30 pm to Gray Tiger
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Is Polish independence worth the price of American blood? Is Estonian independence worth the price of American blood? Is Czech independence worth the price of American Blood? Is Hungarian independence worth th price of American blood?
Not in my opinion.
I can't think of a single young person I know that I would sacrifice for those countries.
Soldiers have families, you know. It's awfully easy to suggest some other family send their kids off to die in a foreign war protecting some corrupt government.
I won't suggest someone else send their family members until I am prepared to sacrifice myself for the cause. To do otherwise is hypocritical, imo.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:38 pm to themunch
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Now with trouble at the door step you want others to jump through hoops for them?
That seems kind of ironic. We didn't want them in before, but now with trouble at their doorstep, we want them in?
It was just this sort of trip-wire alliance system that got WWI going. I'm sick of it. We should simply decide each case on its own merits whether or not we are prepared to have our soldiers killed for the defense of other people.
This looks like it affects Europe more than us. If they see a problem with Putin gobbling up former Soviet states, let Germany mobilize. THAT would get Putin's attention FAR more than sending some Americans to Poland or some shite.
Think about it, what kind of government would we be sacrificing for in Ukraine?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You missed a lot of lunches as a kid for lack of lunch money, didn't you?
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