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It's only Metadata.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:11 am
New research published by Stanford Univeristy Wednesday reveal phone and Internet metadata collected by the NSA can expose far more information about an individual than the agency admits, including, “medical conditions, financial and legal connections, and even whether they own a gun.”
The two began by asking, ”Is it easy to draw sensitive inferences from phone metadata? How often do people conduct sensitive matters by phone? We turned to our crowdsourced MetaPhone dataset for empirical answers.” At the outset, they didn’t expect to find much.
“We were wrong,” Mayer said. “Phone metadata is unambiguously sensitive, even over a small sample and short time window. We were able to infer medical conditions, firearm ownership and more, using solely phone metadata,” he said.
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The two began by asking, ”Is it easy to draw sensitive inferences from phone metadata? How often do people conduct sensitive matters by phone? We turned to our crowdsourced MetaPhone dataset for empirical answers.” At the outset, they didn’t expect to find much.
“We were wrong,” Mayer said. “Phone metadata is unambiguously sensitive, even over a small sample and short time window. We were able to infer medical conditions, firearm ownership and more, using solely phone metadata,” he said.
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:15 am to Jbird
i don't understand why anyone thinks its a good idea to collect all of this information on its citizens.
we aren't safer, and now the gov't has dossiers on all of us. We have seen time and time again, that the executive branch (regardless of who is in office) has no issue black mailing or coercing people. Why give them ammo?
we aren't safer, and now the gov't has dossiers on all of us. We have seen time and time again, that the executive branch (regardless of who is in office) has no issue black mailing or coercing people. Why give them ammo?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:15 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Bingo
i don't understand why anyone thinks its a good idea to collect all of this information on its citizens.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:16 am to Jbird
What's up with all these "Iowa fan" posters 
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:17 am to Jbird
If you're important enough to draw a Sec 215 terrorism query, I'd like for us to know everything that your metadata tells us.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:18 am to Decatur
quote:Here he is right on cue.
If you're important enough to draw a Sec 215 query, I'd like for us to know everything that your metadata tells us.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:18 am to goldenbadger08
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What's up with all these "Iowa fan" posters
I can't speak for Jbird, but while I do not live in iowa at the moment and my parents are retired in FL now, I have a long long long family history with Iowa, and am an Iowa fan.
I registered right before that awful bowl game.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:19 am to Jbird
It's hard to blame the sheep lined up... But really, I think this is simply ok with everyone because no one has the cajones to stand up to it or make enough noise about it. I am surprised that the Dems don't use this as an election year tactic to repeal all of this nonsense- it would be hugely popular.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:21 am to Decatur
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If you're important enough to draw a Sec 215 terrorism query,
That's the question isn't it? What constitutes that? Who decides? What court can you bring it in front of to appeal? Due Process- what's that again?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:34 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
i don't understand why anyone thinks its a good idea to collect all of this information on its citizens.
Who, besides our leaders, are okay with the collection of metadata?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:36 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:There are several posters on this board that believe "if you aren't doing anything wrong, it's really no big deal".
Who, besides our leaders, are okay with the collection of metadata?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:39 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Who, besides our leaders, are okay with the collection of metadata?
a surprisingly high 40% of the public, based on some polls several weeks back. majority still opposes
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:44 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:You'd be surprised. There are many on this board who support it.
Who, besides our leaders, are okay with the collection of metadata?
Hell, a large portion of the Democratic Party switched the minute Obama was elected.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:48 am to Decatur
quote:
If you're important enough to draw a Sec 215 terrorism query, I'd like for us to know everything that your metadata tells us.
We already know that the NSA has been using this data outside of the Sec 215 terrorism inquiry that you speak of.
Is it okay to use it on government whistleblowers as well?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:02 am to ironsides
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We already know that the NSA has been using this data outside of the Sec 215 terrorism inquiry that you speak of.
Specifically how were we using the telephony metadata outside of that authority?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:12 am to Jbird
Yeah if the data was useless why would be collecting it?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:18 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
Why give them ammo?
They heard that.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:34 am to Decatur
There is no such thing as "using the telephony metadata outside" the Sec 215 terrorism inquiry. This sec is so braod that they can justify whatever the hell they want to.
Below is a link to the ACLU's facts versus myths about the NSA's domestic spying.
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"Myth: Section 215 Domestic Call Tracking Is Targeted
Facts: The NSA’s domestic call tracking program is not limited to terrorists or those associated with foreign powers. Under this program, the NSA collects ?on an ongoing daily basis? the records of every call made in the United States, even those made by everyday Americans. As many have noted, this surveillance program is breathtaking in its scope. It is as if the government had seized every American’s address book—with annotations detailing which contacts she spoke to, when she spoke with them, and for how long. Members of the congressional intelligence committees have confirmed that the recently disclosed FISA Court order is part of a broader program under which the government has been collecting the telephone records of essentially all Americans for at least seven years.
Myth: The Section 215 Domestic Call Tracking Database Is Examined Sparingly
Facts:. The executive branch has emphasized that the phone-record database was only ?queried? 300 times in 2012, yet these searches of the domestic call tracking database could implicate millions of Americans. Congressional testimony by intelligence officials indicates that these searches are not limited to queries focused on a single person or phone number. Instead, NSA analysts may examine the calling information of individuals within three ?hops? from the initial target—that is, within three degrees of separation. Because a person’s web of contacts expands exponentially with each hop, one query could ultimately encompass the phone records of millions of Americans. For instance, if each person had only 50 telephone contacts, applying this three-hop analysis to just one individual could pull up phone records concerning more than 125,000 people. The 300 searches conducted in 2012 then could have yielded information on over 37 million people."
Below is a link to the ACLU's facts versus myths about the NSA's domestic spying.
LINK
"Myth: Section 215 Domestic Call Tracking Is Targeted
Facts: The NSA’s domestic call tracking program is not limited to terrorists or those associated with foreign powers. Under this program, the NSA collects ?on an ongoing daily basis? the records of every call made in the United States, even those made by everyday Americans. As many have noted, this surveillance program is breathtaking in its scope. It is as if the government had seized every American’s address book—with annotations detailing which contacts she spoke to, when she spoke with them, and for how long. Members of the congressional intelligence committees have confirmed that the recently disclosed FISA Court order is part of a broader program under which the government has been collecting the telephone records of essentially all Americans for at least seven years.
Myth: The Section 215 Domestic Call Tracking Database Is Examined Sparingly
Facts:. The executive branch has emphasized that the phone-record database was only ?queried? 300 times in 2012, yet these searches of the domestic call tracking database could implicate millions of Americans. Congressional testimony by intelligence officials indicates that these searches are not limited to queries focused on a single person or phone number. Instead, NSA analysts may examine the calling information of individuals within three ?hops? from the initial target—that is, within three degrees of separation. Because a person’s web of contacts expands exponentially with each hop, one query could ultimately encompass the phone records of millions of Americans. For instance, if each person had only 50 telephone contacts, applying this three-hop analysis to just one individual could pull up phone records concerning more than 125,000 people. The 300 searches conducted in 2012 then could have yielded information on over 37 million people."
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:38 am to Paluka
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The executive branch has emphasized that the phone-record database was only ?queried? 300 times in 2012
Gotta love the ACLU sometimes. They're a pain in the arse, but they aren't dumb. They recognize that the President saying "only 300 queries" is missing the point because a query of a database can be looking at the entire damned thing and pulling the records of hundreds, thousands or millions. Or, as the ACLU points out,
quote:
The 300 searches conducted in 2012 then could have yielded information on over 37 million people."
Alas. Like always, the President and his dick suckers are relying on the fact that the vast majority of Americans have exceedingly limited familiarity with databases and their potential uses much less what exactly a "query" is.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:51 am to Paluka
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Facts: The NSA’s domestic call tracking program is not limited to terrorists or those associated with foreign powers.
It's a terrorism query database for terrorist network analysis. It's obvious that queried numbers will call numbers associated with completely innocent Americans. If the analysts find something that meets their threshold, they then can apply to get the subscriber information for the queried number. If there are sufficient connections to another number to get that person's info, then they apply for that.
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Under this program, the NSA collects ?on an ongoing daily basis? the records of every call made in the United States, even those made by everyday Americans. As many have noted, this surveillance program is breathtaking in its scope. It is as if the government had seized every American’s address book—
I think it's more like 20-30% of landlines with even less cell phones.
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