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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:06 pm to Lsut81
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:06 pm to Lsut81
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Did the pilots on Helios not have oxygen masks?
Yes, but for some reason (slow plane depressurization) they were unaware & mentally unable to figure out what was going on due to hypoxia?
1 of the flight attendants somehow remained conscious/aware of what was going on & maybe used his portable oxgygen tanks ?
He eventually got into the cockpit, made several 'may -day" calls, but it was too late & the plane crashed.
Everyone was alive at the time of the crash, but unconscious. It is unknown how this 1 flight attendant didn't succumb nor how he eventually got into the cockpit . He was an inexperienced private pilot & could have possibly landed the plane ,but it was too late(fuel deprivation) by the time he got into the cockpit.
I have been of the thought that these pilots/passengers were unconscious, but we'll see. Perhaps.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:06 pm to Lsut81
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Its interesting, but again... Someone has to initiate that turn, so they would know there is an emergency.
I think many pilots are changing their tune based on how the pilots have been villainized by everyone...and hoping beyond hope that it was mechanical and the pilots tried heroically to save the plane but were overcome in the process.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:07 pm to Napoleon
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The guy had no idea he was hypoxic and wouldn't even put his mask on.
Thats fricking insane...
Ok, random dumb question. If people are always bitching about the death penalty being too painful/inhumane. Why wouldn't that method be implemented
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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That is why I beleive many pilots are now leaning towards mechanical failure
I am still seeing many pilots say they don't buy the mechanical failure.
"I just can't imagine why the pilots wouldn't have given some sort of distress signal either verbally or by using their emergency transponder," she said. "Why was the transponder disabled? Did it have a history of transponder problems? Generally, if you do, it's not going in the air."
---Lynn Spruill, whose career as a Delta Airlines pilot spanned nearly 20 years and time as a Navy pilot mainly involved flights over the Pacific Ocean, said without an easily visible debris pattern, terrorism can't be assumed.
But..
Again. UK Daily news says..
quote:
Did doomed jet fly on auto-pilot for five hours until it ran out of fuel? Straight line from last contact to 'debris' site suggests 'on-board emergency knocked out crew'
LINK
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:11 pm to Lsut81
sounds good to me
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:13 pm to Napoleon
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I am still seeing many pilots say they don't buy the mechanical failure.
i have also. I only meant there seem to be more that are sympathetic now than opposed to a week ago...not sure if its the media trying to bring in pilots with differing theories or what.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:14 pm to Napoleon
Interesting
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:16 pm to Napoleon
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the video
Kinda crazy.
The guy had no idea he was hypoxic and wouldn't even put his mask on.
Thanks for linking that.
I was thinking maybe the 'mumbling' incoherently that the other Airline pilot heard from 370 may have been similar to what was happening to this guy?
Subject had no idea he was suffering from hypoxia & was quite content with peacefully dying despite the Tester pleas.
Sidenote : The effects of hypoxia are so silent, painless it has been suggested as a form of execution by some, I believe. (I am against the death penalty though).
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:24 pm to Napoleon
I don't know the chain of progression, but the hypoxia theory would be in line with the final transmission of, "All right. Goodnight."
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:42 pm to Lsut81
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Ok, random dumb question. If people are always bitching about the death penalty being too painful/inhumane. Why wouldn't that method be implemented
Because it makes too much sense.
Would also cost more to have a pressure chamber than an injection set up.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:44 pm to Lsut81
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Ok, random dumb question. If people are always bitching about the death penalty being too painful/inhumane. Why wouldn't that method be implemented
I don't think lethal injection is too painful or gruesome.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:44 pm to OldHickory
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but the hypoxia theory would be in line with the final transmission of, "All right. Goodnight."
Cabin depressurization doesn't account for the fact that ACARS and the transponder were disabled, nor does it account for the multiple directional changes of the plane.
With suicide, you first have to assume that one of the pilots neutralized the other in the cockpit (unless you consider a double suicide...), and then decided to fly the plane for an additional 7+ hours to the South Pole before crashing into the ocean.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:49 pm to Napoleon
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Would also cost more to have a pressure chamber than an injection set up.
Meh. Think how much research you could do - it could easily get the cost to the state down - possibly to nothing.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:51 pm to austintigerdad
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No, I said earlier that I was inclined to believe the mechanical failure / electrical fire scenario.
Then I talked to the family member who flies a 777 for a living, and he suggests that this theory isn't consistent with the reported behavior of the aircraft.
You also said you can't use oxygen masks in the event of a fire..
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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Meh. Think how much research you could do - it could easily get the cost to the state down - possibly to nothing.
or just strap them down, put a facemask on them and slowly lower the O2 levels while raising the nitrogen levels. Will get a similar outcome.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:14 pm to Napoleon
Update please... Anything come of the new debris field?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:19 pm to LSUvegasbombed
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Anything come of the new debris field?
Nope. It got too dark and they couldn't find the debris.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:33 pm to chalupa
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Nope. It got too dark and they couldn't find the debris.
It's 6:31 Perth time. At 6am they sent a plane out and another leaves for 8am (6pm CST) It takes the plans four hours to fly to the area, then they only have 2.5 hours to search then they have to head back in.
So at 7pm tonight they will have a plane in the area, we may know by 11pm or midnight if it found anything.
I wouldn't look for updates before midnight, IMO.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:35 pm to chalupa
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Nope. It got too dark and they couldn't find the debris.
It's just about sunrise there now. I expect they are on the move as we speak.
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