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Posted on 6/4/14 at 9:01 am to
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 9:01 am to
David Roth with a frivolous, yet amusing, look at retired NBA Center Twitter featuring Olden Polynice, Keith Closs, and Greg Ostertag

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But if Closs' time with the Clippers was defined by off-court idiocies of the sort that are generally associated with drunk people, his performance on Retired NBA Center Twitter is a much happier one. Closs still travels the world playing basketball, but mostly seems to be focused on his family and his longstanding sobriety. There may be no one alive who tweets more often or more vigorously about farting at AA meetings than the man presently calling himself Gaseous Clay


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The ultimate in artifice-free Retired NBA Center Twitter, though -- the king in exile, the flat-topped monarch of butt tweets and all-caps typos -- is Greg Ostertag.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:20 pm to
If y'all want an inside look into how the D-league operates the GM of the Iowa Energy was on the radio here yesterday. It was very interesting to listen to.

You can probably skip to 6:30 mark
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 6:57 am to
Nice. Thanks for sharing.

Shoals on the Finals before game 1.

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It’s tempting to cast this Spurs-Heat rematch as the league’s dominant player going up against the best collective effort the sport has to offer. Never mind that Duncan is still mightily effective and almost nearly as great, in a historic sense, as LeBron James. The Heat, while they may rise and fall with LeBron, don’t fall prey to the usual superstar (or let’s just call it “individual”) pitfalls of isos and hero-ball. LeBron is, in a basketball sense, not human, not one man either bucking or buying into a system. He makes the phrase one-man team literal, fulfilling multiple responsibilities, playing every position, guarding all sorts of opponents, and writing a script for the rest of the team with the way he works each trip down the floor.

What LeBron James dictates what the Heat does and not in some reactionary way. It’s his job to make sure the whole team can look to him for a sense of structure. It turns the point guard role inside out and then stands it on its head. It very nearly does the same to the superstar. What’s more, LeBron is almost as constant in his game, with as few peaks and valleys, as the Spurs. Some days he’ll explode just to prove he can but these come across as odd moments of vulnerability. Like the Spurs, LeBron is a machine, a dynamo driving his teammates. It’s not so impressive that a team so dependent on one guy has made it to the Finals. What’s amazing is how little, at this stage in his career, LeBron James resembles any other superstar. The only thing to compare him to is an entire other team.


Prohpetic on LeBron/Miami. Still miss FREEDARKO.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:13 am to
Also this GREAT read from Mark Deeks on just how the Spurs have managed their cap so well for so long

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San Antonio is, and has always been, built around the Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan trio. They are able to do what they do only because those players are the foundation, and because that foundation is one consisting of players who have taken highly reasonable contracts.


He breaks down the deals each guy has gotten and compares their money to other players.

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In addition to being able to lock down their stars without stagnating the roster, San Antonio's other strength comes from how it rarely overpays.


And you can see some of Demps thought process here

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The Spurs turn over the last few players on their roster regularly, including midseason. They are often to be found engaging in midseason waivings and pic-ups, closely monitoring the D-League for anyone sneaking below the radar (and having the financial and roster spot flexibility to often get in there first), and monitoring the European game for further value pickups.


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Castoffs and late bloomers are cheaper than valued commodities, and, if you get the right ones, just as valuable. "Retread" is so often used as a pejorative, yet when we watch Danny Green, Boris Diaw, Marco Belinelli and Patty Mills play big minutes in an NBA Finals, we must remember that it ought not be.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 7:26 am
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 7:59 am to
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built around the Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan trio. They are able to do what they do only because those players are the foundation, and because that foundation is one consisting of players who have taken highly reasonable contracts.


A combined salary of less than $31MM. Think about that for a minute.

Wade, Bosh and James come in around $57MM.

Kind of makes a difference as to what you an do with your roster.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 2:35 pm to
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A combined salary of less than $31MM. Think about that for a minute.

Wade, Bosh and James come in around $57MM.


The crazy thing is what Duncan/Ginobili did at their ages and those prices. Both were among the best in the entire league at their positions on a per minute basis.

When you can lead the league in wins with Belinelli, Diaw, Leonard, Green as 2, 4, 5, 6 in MP (and no one averaged more than 30MPG on the season) you're doing something very right. Even if Duncan/Ginobili had slipped some due to age, how much of a beat do they miss? Just a remarkable team.

Very curious to see what Miami does this summer. I'm sure Riley has a plan, but their roster (and likely defensive philosophy) needs some retooling. James is a freak of nature, but he can't keep playing 38 MPG forever, right?
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:49 pm to
Spurs/Heat template for Modern Offenses

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What the teams represent is a template for the modern three-heavy NBA offense: ball movement and spacing. Ball movement can come in the form of a dominant creator (Clippers with Chris Paul, Thunder with Russell Westbrook and Heat with LeBron) or a team-wide commitment to pass with the required skill to go along with it (Spurs). Spacing comes in the form of shooting. Lots of shooting. We're at the point where if you don't have a big man who is an elite long-two shooter and/or a passable three-point shooter, you're at a disadvantage.


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Still, plenty of teams have catching up to do. In many ways, the Finals are a crash course for team-builders in what you need to win in today's NBA. The Spurs and Heat model aren't perfectly replicable because it's hard to find great talent. You can't have a Heat without a LeBron, and there's only one of him. You can't have a Spurs without Duncan and drafting two reliable Hall of Famers well outside of the lottery. These are not easy tasks.

But teams can learn from the two franchises' actual on-court behavior. Too many teams lack a corps of shooters to pop in as needed. Too many teams rely on too few shot creators or embrace a system that restricts the natural ball-handling and passing skills of its players


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There are many conflicting stories among the NBA's elite. Memphis rules with a double-big threat. The Clippers have the old-school point-guard-and-power-forward setup. The Pacers rely on a ball-dominant wing and elite defense. The Thunder have their two-headed monster.

But there's something every team can learn from the Miami and San Antonio systems that nod toward team defense while emphasizing passing and shooting. That the offenses are thoroughly dominating the respective excellent defenses in the Finals shows just how powerful the sharing-and-spacing offense can be.


CC Monty. THX
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:13 am to
Great breakdown on the Love Conundrum from Canis Hoopus

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So. I think that makes this the point of no return now, with now being the operative word.

You still have leverage over where you send him because Love can't opt out for a full year

You don't have a cloud of anxiety hanging over the franchise over the summer and half, if not all, of next year

The draft is how you rebuild and where you find stars. Deal him now and you'll know exactly which picks you're getting and who's going to be on the board


There's an interesting comp to Barkley in Philly and a breakdown of the reported offers

Long read, basically the reported offers are crap aside from the Bulls, aasuming Mirotic comes over, and the Celtics w/ a shot at Aaron Gordon

He would like to see them talk to Utah about Hayward for Love, Wiz about Beal/Nene for Love, and Cleveland's Waiters/#1 package

Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 8:18 am to
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Long read, basically the reported offers are crap aside from the Bulls, aasuming Mirotic comes over, and the Celtics w/ a shot at Aaron Gordon


This one isn't too bad.

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Phoenix Suns - Kevin Love for Goran Dragic, Markieff Morris, Gerald Green, #14 pick in the 2014 draft, get back the first rounder in 2015 draft


2 1sts, an All Star caliber combo guard that could play with Rubio, and 2 solid rotation players.

Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 9:13 am to
If that's a real offer, they'd jump all over it. I don't see them getting that much, though.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:43 am to
PHX offer is a bit of fools gold, especially with Flip taking the reins again

Dragic was legitimately great this year. Can he do it again in a different system?

Green and Morris were aftethoughts until this season and have the same questions re roles/system.

And the firsts are mid draft. If this board believes 10 is a worthless pick, then the wolves are getting fleeced.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 10:52 am to
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PHX offer is a bit of fools gold, especially with Flip taking the reins again

Dragic was legitimately great this year. Can he do it again in a different system?

Green and Morris were aftethoughts until this season and have the same questions re roles/system.

And the firsts are mid draft. If this board believes 10 is a worthless pick, then the wolves are getting fleeced.



And getting Love is a bit of fools gold. Would Love resign with Phoenix? I'd say that offer is better than what we got for Chris Paul.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:30 am to
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And getting Love is a bit of fools gold


I do not agree at all. Love is a premier NBA player. Playing under Rambis/Kahn for most of your career shouldn't be held against you. I would trade any Pelican not named Anthony Davis for Love and not think twice about it.

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Would Love resign with Phoenix?


The only team that has indicated they are willing to trade without him opting in for 15/16 is Sacramento. You get him this summer, you've got 2 years to convince him to stay. He, along with every max level guy, will hit UFA regardless of how good his team is.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:47 am to
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I do not agree at all. Love is a premier NBA player.


I agree. The fools gold has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with how long you control his rights.
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:52 am to
Gotcha
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:03 am to
Two links from GMIB, in my mind related to the Shoals GQ piece linked above.

First on the Spurs machine and the remarkably unselfish play of Tony Parker in game 3.

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San Antonio’s ball movement creates sure scoring balance, and in Game 3 eight different Spurs players wound up contributing five points or more (and 11 scored total). The rotating cast of seemingly interchangeable parts draws deserved praise for both Gregg Popovich and his “system” above all else. Within the system catch-all is a specificity of meaning without singling out any particular player; even casual fans of the NBA have some grip on the particulars of Spurs basketball, and it’s through that understanding that this all-time team is generally appreciated


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Parker, meanwhile, finished with a mere 15 points and four assists while shooting the lowest percentage of any Spurs starter.

Even still Parker is the kind of player who can help shape a game without filling the box score. It may have been Leonard and Green who punctuated the Spurs’ runs, but it’s by Parker’s steady hand that those surges in scoring were maintained in the first place. Parker was perfectly balanced in his initiation of the offense in Game 3, which is in itself an achievement against a Miami team that applies a lot of schematic pressure


And a link on James, the Great Man Theory of history, and how we reconcile that as hoops fans.

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One of the deepest contradictions about loving NBA basketball, at least in the post-Jordan years, has been negotiating our uneasy relationship with great man theory in 2014, nearly two centuries after the thought was first articulated, and subsequently, bemoaned. At this point, fans are conditioned to be distrustful of individualistic basketball and are programmed to react quite poorly to it. Long gone are the days of Allen Iverson chewing up 22 seconds of the shot-clock, or Kobe Bryant’s surgical breakdown of a hapless defender marooned on a hardwood island. “Hero-ball” has long been decried as a vestige of a less-civilized age, and “iso plays” are coded as “incompetent coaching” at this point in the game.


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Yet, at the same time, very few fans, casual or caustic, can name the greatest teams of all time, besides the standard-issue 1995–96, 72-win Chicago Bulls, and even from there, most could not name team members far beyond the “great men” that make that team marketable

Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:05 am to
Time to fire this one up again.

Great great read on Kyle Korver from Lowe today.

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The video clips of plays for him are outstanding. Anderson is a guy who knows how to find space and has some of the gravitational pull Korver does. You can do some of the funky things he shows w/ guards in the post with Evans and Holiday.

Also a read on why Monroe is still unsigned.

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Monroe’s definitively not a stretch four, but he’s not really a pick-and-roll big, either. In fact, it’s become increasingly difficult to tell what, exactly, the former Georgetown standout really is, in the purest positional sense.

And that’s precisely the problem. At least when it comes to his value.


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any team willing to offer near-max money would either have to a) be committed enough to a specific team-building philosophy that 15-and-10 over the next four years would make the strategic nut, or b) so solidly in the salary black that 20-and-12 was worth the roll.


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Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:13 am to
Also a piece on Superstar Hauls in light of the impending Love trade. SI breaks down the Melo, Howard, DWIll, Paul, and Harden trades.

Here's what Mahoney says about Paul:

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The best-laid plans of the then-Hornets have all but perished. On paper, this was a promising return. New Orleans received a budding star in Gordon and a first-round pick, which had belonged to the Wolves and was unprotected. That could be the basis of a strong core, provided that the Hornets nailed the pick and found good use or good returns for the other veterans on the roster.


That framework broke down in two fundamental ways. First, after Gordon played just nine games in an injury-derailed 2011-12 season, the Hornets were forced to make a $58 million decision regarding his future. That was the price of the four-year offer sheet that the restricted free-agent shooting guard signed with the Suns, positioning the Hornets to either match or see a prized piece of Paul's return go for nothing. New Orleans matched, signing a disgruntled and oft-injured Gordon to one of the worst contracts in the league.
Second, Minnesota -- a team whose success would define the value of the first-rounder acquired -- fared well enough in the lockout-shortened season to make matters difficult for New Orleans. This was in part due to a glut of similar performance; notwithstanding the uniquely dreadful 7-59 Bobcats, the rest of the NBA's 10 worst teams all fell between 20 and 26 wins. On the high end were the Wolves, were 10th worst at 26-40. That was a much lower pick than anticipated, made worse by the fact that New Orleans selected the seldom-effective Austin Rivers. There's still time for Rivers to grow into a productive player, but his first two seasons have offered only a smattering of hope.

It's tempting, in retrospect, to allege that the Hornets may have been better off accepting the proposed three-team deal with the Lakers and Rockets that would have landed the Hornets Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Lamar Odom and a 2012 first-round pick (via New York). Had the NBA approved the trade, however, New Orleans would not have been bad enough to luck into the right to select No. 1 pick Anthony Davis in the following draft. Such is an important consideration in evaluating prospect-laden returns: Part of the package, it seems, is bottoming out quickly enough to land a potential star in subsequent drafts.


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This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:14 am
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:05 am to
Two more from Nylon Calculus

First on shot selection

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This graph is based on every shot taken by every player during the 2013-2014 season. The red line — showing the average FG% by distance — drops dramatically until you get to about three feet, and from there everything has about a 40% chance of being made. On average, a team that takes more of their shots within three feet of the basket will make a higher percentage of them and thus, have a more effective offense. But there is one rule in the NBA which adds a layer of complexity — the three-point line.

The blue line on the graph above shows the effective field goal percentage (eFG%) by distance. Since eFG% accounts for the extra point scored on a three-point basket, what we’re seeing is the average value of shots by distance, not just how likely they are to be made.




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This balancing act between a single shot and the thousands of shots a team takes throughout a season can be difficult to see. On an individual possession, the understanding of shot selection hasn’t really changed in the last 50 years — who’s shooting and how open they are still define most of what makes a good or bad shot. But when we put all those shots together we can see that commitment to a process, and a certain team or player-specific definition of what makes a good shot can change everything.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:11 am to
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everything has about a 40% chance of being made.


That really expands the dumb zone. It's basically saying a Tyreke or Aminu 3 point shot is a better shot than the average player shooting anywhere between 3 feet and the 3 point line. That's crazy, and surely something that is only true in theory and not practice.
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