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Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:51 am to Jon Ham
Those missiles that he is refering to were actually suppose to be missiles designed to shoot down ballistic missiles. Not missiles that can be fired for attack purposes.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:51 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
There's nothing impressive about invading a country when you know no one is really willing to do anything about it. The only impressive thing is how much of a dick he is.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:52 am to trackfan
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So you think W should have attacked Russia over Georgia?
Absolutely not. But I think he probably should have called him and said "Hey Putin, You know that tiny little country you're about to invade? Well they've been good allies to us sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Just wanted to let you know that I remember that."
And then I probably would have conducted military exercises in the country with Georgia's military and see if Russia still felt like invading a country that had US troops in it. I don't think he would have.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think he's saving face after fricking up with the revolution. He's reasserting himself.
1. i think ukraine has somethings putin wants, but i think this is mostly a test or a diversion for something else
quote:Definitely this too.
2. i think this is a test of western europe much more than a test of the USA/Obama
Posted on 3/4/14 at 11:58 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
If we are talking chess then maybe Putin has overplayed his hand. These military moves only incite more resistance to Russia. There is a long game to be played and Russia will find economic consequences down the road for this move.
The Ukraine will eventually become part of the EU and the compromise is no military buildup by the west or Russia inside Ukraine. We already have a treaty in place for this when nuclear weapons were removed back in the 90's.
There is more division in Russia over Putin's interference than many realize. "Game, Set, Match" hardly...
The Ukraine will eventually become part of the EU and the compromise is no military buildup by the west or Russia inside Ukraine. We already have a treaty in place for this when nuclear weapons were removed back in the 90's.
There is more division in Russia over Putin's interference than many realize. "Game, Set, Match" hardly...
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1. i think ukraine has somethings putin wants, but i think this is mostly a test or a diversion for something else
2. i think this is a test of western europe much more than a test of the USA/Obama
3. China's involvement, or lack thereof, will be telling
This is exactly right.
I would add 4) we invade countries pretty regularly, so we set the model its ok.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:03 pm to rcd0808
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Well, the key word was MAY. Giving up the missile defense in Poland sent a message to Putin that we DGAF about Eastern Europe and that he can basically do what the hell he wants.
Let's look at the historical facts.
Ike was the Supreme Allied Commander in WWII and put Jupiter missiles in Turkey, but it still didn't stop the Russians from invading Hungary.
LBJ put 500,000 troops in Vietnam to fight communism, but it still didn't stop the Russians from invading Czeckoslovakia.
W invaded not only Afghanistan, but also Iraq over the strong objections of Russia and China, but it still didn't stop Russia from invading Georgia.
Since Putin can read history books too, what would have caused him to think that Obama would be more confrontational than Ike, LBJ and W?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:04 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
Damn straight.
He knows Barrack Hussein Obama won't put boots on the ground or start a nuclear war like a good chess player would.
Putin is great. Huge fan of his corrupt and tyrannical style. Obozo could learn a thing or two from watching him instead of embarrassing us by not being the world police.
He knows Barrack Hussein Obama won't put boots on the ground or start a nuclear war like a good chess player would.
Putin is great. Huge fan of his corrupt and tyrannical style. Obozo could learn a thing or two from watching him instead of embarrassing us by not being the world police.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:08 pm to rcd0808
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Absolutely not. But I think he probably should have called him and said "Hey Putin, You know that tiny little country you're about to invade? Well they've been good allies to us sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Just wanted to let you know that I remember that."
And then I probably would have conducted military exercises in the country with Georgia's military and see if Russia still felt like invading a country that had US troops in it. I don't think he would have.
You really think that would have affected Putin? FYI, Putin told W face to face at the Beijing Olympic stadium what he was doing at precisely the time the invasion started, and he even blamed W for not reigning in Georgia after Putin's repeated warnings in the weeks leading up to the invasion. Putin isn't stupid. He understands American politics well enough to know that it would be political suicide for an American President to risk American lives for something like this.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:17 pm to trackfan
quote:Nothing at all.
Since Putin can read history books too, what would have caused him to think that Obama would be more confrontational than Ike, LBJ and W?
He recognizes Obama as far less formidable than any of those.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:19 pm to Jon Ham
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How about you clowns actually offer what up the US should be doing i
i already did days ago
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:25 pm to trackfan
quote:He was WHAT?!?
Ike was the Super Allied Commander in WWII
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:27 pm to rcd0808
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Well, the key word was MAY. Giving up the missile defense in Poland sent a message to Putin that we DGAF about Eastern Europe and that he can basically do what the hell he wants.
This is a valid point.
The missile shield was one of the biggest blunders IMO. You don't give up something that significant for nothing. We should return to building the shield since Russia continues to be aggressively moving towards bringing the Soviet pieces back into its orbit.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:29 pm to LSURussian
quote:Ike was the Super Duper Supreme Allied Commander in WWII
He was WHAT?!?
It means he oversaw all the corpse men.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:34 pm to NC_Tigah
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Ike was the Super Duper Supreme Allied Commander in WWII
He wasn't even that. He was just over the European war theater. MacArthur was the Super Duper Allied Commander of the Southwest Pacific Area.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:03 pm to LSURussian
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He was WHAT?!?
Of course I meant "supreme". Thanks for the correction.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:04 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Hat's off to Putin - he knows what he is doing
Thought i would share this article "4 Reasons Putin Is Already Losing in Ukraine" - with a few excerpts below:
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At home, this intervention looks to be one of the most unpopular decisions Putin has ever made. The Kremlin’s own pollster released a survey on Monday that showed 73% of Russians reject it. ....Only 15% said yes — hardly a national consensus.
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The economic impact on Russia is already staggering. When markets opened on Monday morning, investors got their first chance to react to the Russian intervention in Ukraine over the weekend, and as a result, the key Russian stock indexes tanked by more than 10%. That amounts to almost $60 billion in stock value wiped out in the course of a day, more than Russia spent preparing for last month’s Winter Olympic Games in Sochi.
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Even Russia’s closest allies want no part of this. The oil-rich state of Kazakhstan, the most important member of every regional alliance Russia has going in the former Soviet space, put out a damning statement on Monday, marking the first time its leaders have ever turned against Russia on such a major strategic issue: “Kazakhstan expresses deep concern over the developments in Ukraine,” the Foreign Ministry said. “Kazakhstan calls on all sides to stop the use of force in the resolution of this situation.”
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Russia’s isolation from the West will deepen dramatically. In June, Putin was planning to welcome the leaders of the G8, a club of western powers (plus Japan), in the Russian resort city of Sochi. But on Sunday, all of them announced they had halted their preparations for attending the summit in protest at Russia’s intervention in Ukraine. So much for Putin’s hard-fought seat at the table with the leaders of the western world.
....but but but Putin knows what hes doing....
LINK
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:26 pm to BobBoucher
So you are posting an article from the same guy who on February 25th wrote this article: NO Russia will NOT invade Ukraine
Excuse me while I don't lend a lot of credence to his covering his arse about why he was right in saying things like:
They sat out the Orange Revolution a decade ago for different reasons. Now they are not.
As far as the impact on the stock market goes, that is not much of an indication unless you want to say the drop in the Dow was a repudiation of Obama's moves.
Lots of statements tut tutting Russia's move does nothing to dissuade Putin.
Excuse me while I don't lend a lot of credence to his covering his arse about why he was right in saying things like:
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So what does all that mean for Russia? It means that to undermine Ukraine’s new leadership, the last thing Russia should do is send in troops. Nothing unites rival political forces like a common enemy, especially a foreign aggressor.
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So the gentle and accommodating tone of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Tuesday should not come as a surprise.
They sat out the Orange Revolution a decade ago for different reasons. Now they are not.
As far as the impact on the stock market goes, that is not much of an indication unless you want to say the drop in the Dow was a repudiation of Obama's moves.
Lots of statements tut tutting Russia's move does nothing to dissuade Putin.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:35 pm to BobBoucher
most of those things don't matter
1. the popularity would matter if Russia was an actual democratic-based system, but it's an oligarchy and Putin is in near authoritarian power.
2. the economic hits are short-term losses and can be erased completely if he starts to flex his muscle in the oil/gas markets of western europe. their bending to his wills here will just open up that angle
3. the "Stans" getting upset are irrelevant if western europe won't help them hold off russian aggression
4. the G8 stuff is the only real issue, and if Russia will test Western Europe, he dgaf about the G8
1. the popularity would matter if Russia was an actual democratic-based system, but it's an oligarchy and Putin is in near authoritarian power.
2. the economic hits are short-term losses and can be erased completely if he starts to flex his muscle in the oil/gas markets of western europe. their bending to his wills here will just open up that angle
3. the "Stans" getting upset are irrelevant if western europe won't help them hold off russian aggression
4. the G8 stuff is the only real issue, and if Russia will test Western Europe, he dgaf about the G8
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