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The Inside Story of Mt. Gox

Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:17 am
Not a bad read. Answers a lot of questions I've wondered about the history. Also gives some insight as to how much the bitcoinistas do not understand business.

LINK
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:40 am to
Interesting. Nothing surprising though. It confirms my opinion about bitcoinistas.

Bitcoin relies on trust among its users. Even wiki has posted that.

Yet bitcoin attracts a certain segment of the population who are probably the least trustworthy people on earth: no ethical standards, no moral compass.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15816 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:22 am to
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Bitcoin relies on trust among its users
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Yet bitcoin attracts a certain segment of the population who are probably the least trustworthy people on earth: no ethical standards, no moral compass.
Sounds a lot like liberalism.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7612 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:38 am to
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bitcoinistas

Lord of the Flies comes to mind. They don't want to play by standard, conventional rules but don't understand how to do what they want.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65045 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:17 am to
I feel like more and more every day, they had no idea what they were doing.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:58 am to
So much for Josh's explanation that the missing Bitcoins likely weren't stolen, but that the private keys were lost by MtGOX. The fact that their bank account was ripped off of $27.4 million is incomprehensible. Routine bank reconciliations would have discovered missing cash.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101468 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:10 pm to
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Yet bitcoin attracts a certain segment of the population who are probably the least trustworthy people on earth: no ethical standards, no moral compass.


How does all that comport with the "non-aggression principle"?
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:12 pm to
My brother sent me 100$ worth of bitcoin the other day and the price is going up. I think bitcoin is stupid but I want to make me some money
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45222 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:14 pm to
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So much for Josh's explanation that the missing Bitcoins likely weren't stolen


Don't lie.

I said their explanation of the funds being stolen through the "transaction malleability bug" didn't make sense because it would require a steady flow of stolen bitcoin over years that would be impossible to not notice.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:25 pm to
To me, it looks like Mt Gox cashed out, as people at the top of the pyramid always do. You guys keep digging, check behind the grassy knoll, might find bitcoins there
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:14 pm to
You wrote the following on 2/28/2014:
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I think what is more likely than that kind of managerial incompetence (Not to say that Mark doesn't have an immeasurable amount of that) is that they lost the access to their wallets that contained the missing bitcoin.
LINK

Why do you deny writing things that are easily verified?

Here is a chance to redeem yourself. How did the thieves get control of the private keys to reflect their ownership of the Bitcoins on the blockchain? Was it as simple as hacking into MtGOX (due to MtGOX security weaknesses) and resetting the private keys such that the public address never changed but the rightful owners were replaced? If so, then the theft was really clever. The Bitcoins were stolen, but left in plain sight with no apparent activity having taken place.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7612 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:22 pm to
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You wrote the following on 2/28/2014:
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I think what is more likely than that kind of managerial incompetence (Not to say that Mark doesn't have an immeasurable amount of that) is that they lost the access to their wallets that contained the missing bitcoin.

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45222 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:41 pm to
Quote the whole post liar.

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Their story of losing 850,000BTC through transaction malleability makes little to no sense. Charlie Shrem went over the math the night it happened and it breaks down to tens of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoin being stolen per day (if you use the average price of bitcoin since the beginning of Mt. Gox).


Again, I didn't say:

quote:

missing Bitcoins likely weren't stolen


I said:

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Their story of losing 850,000BTC through transaction malleability makes little to no sense.


And then I said it was more likely that they lost the private keys than they had 850,000BTC stolen incrementally over a period of a few years.



Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:53 pm to
That's all very nice. Except according to insiders the missing Bitcoins were stolen. And you said them being stolen was less likely than MtGOX just losing the private keys to the Bitcoin addresses. And that was my original point.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45222 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:14 pm to
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And you said them being stolen was less likely than MtGOX just losing the private keys to the Bitcoin addresses


And you continue to lie, why am I not surprised.

I said that it was more likely for Mt. Gox to have lost the keys than it was for them to have had the funds stolen through an exploit of transaction malleability.

What is so hard to understand about that?
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7612 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:55 pm to
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And you continue to lie, why am I not surprised.

First off, this statement coming from you is just...well, mindblowing. You lie at every turn and neglect to listen to what others say. Maybe your little college has a class on listening?

To his main point, he is saying pretty much what you said. He stated that you said it was LESS LIKELY that it was stolen (when a lot of others are saying it was stolen).

And your rebuttal is that you said it is MORE LIKELY that Mt Gox lost the keys.

It's the same thing.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45222 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:03 pm to
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It's the same thing.



No it's not. I was referring explicitly to Gox's story of the funds being stolen through an exploit of transaction malleability (Which would require the funds to be stolen slowly over a long period of time). Stealing thousands of bitcoins a day for years would eventually be noticed.

That is different than stealing 400,000BTC at a time.

Again, how hard is that to understand?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:08 pm to
Did you ever use Mt Gox?
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:12 pm to
Poor josh...wiki needs to get back in these threads ASAP.

It's not like wiki had a much better grasp of the subject and its nuances but he more than made up for it with pure aggressiveness.

wiki, on behalf of the MT bitcoin sub board, I'm sending out this long distance dedication.

LINK
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65045 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:12 pm to
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Did you ever use Mt Gox?


Stop it.
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