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Who should have played Anakin?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:31 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:31 am
Personally I'm thinking Michael Fassbender would have been perfect. He would have been 20 when filming the first one (and screw the child iteration altogether), which would have been basically perfect. Just have Obi Wan about 5-10 years older than Anakin, and that's about perfect.
Heath Ledger wouldn't have been a bad choice either. So who would you have cast?
Heath Ledger wouldn't have been a bad choice either. So who would you have cast?
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:35 am to OMLandshark
You picked two guys that probably haven't gotten their acting chops down at the time.
I feel bad for poor Ani.
To step into possibly the most iconic role of all time? I don't think anyone could have pulled it off.
Seriously. It was a no win situation.
I feel bad for poor Ani.
To step into possibly the most iconic role of all time? I don't think anyone could have pulled it off.
Seriously. It was a no win situation.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:40 am to magildachunks
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:43 am to OMLandshark
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Instead of bitching back and forth, I really think this instead should have been Obi Wan's and Anakin's relationship
I think you may have missed the point of the relationship.
Anakin was the stubborn child. His character demanded that he butted heads with the parental figure/mentor.
ETA: and now I Want to put on the prequels.
Give me 3 days and we can discuss this topic in full.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 12:45 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:54 am to magildachunks
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Anakin was the stubborn child. His character demanded that he butted heads with the parental figure/mentor.
I'm not exactly sure about that. Personally I think that Obi Wan should have been somewhat of an outcast in the Jedi Order. He had unorthodox ways of the Force, and he was shunned for it. He finds Anakin and finds that he's attuned to the Force, and very gifted at that. The two form a fast friendship, and Obi Wan offers to teach Anakin in the ways of the Force. Despite what his superiors and equals tell him, he goes through with it. Obi Wan would be blind to the fact that Anakin is really only going through with the Jedi training for the title and making himself as powerful as he possibly can be. Anakin goes through his training lustfully, is found out, and kicked out of the Jedi Order. Eventually he kills one of the members of the Jedi out of rage (Mace Windu if there were a reboot), and eventually both Obi Wan and Anakin have to very reluctantly fight to the death.
Anakin's and Obi Wan's friendship should have been the primary thing they focused on, not a teacher and student relationship. I never bought that the two were friends, despite the ridiculous backtracking in Episode 3 where Lucas realized he fricked all this up. The thing is Anakin was a heavily unorthodox student that Obi Wan thought he could control simply out of friendship and the fact that Anakin meant well, but he denied that Anakin had a power hungry and lustful nature to him, which led to Anakin's and the Jedi Order's doom. You didn't have to have Anakin killing kids in the prequel trilogy, since 20 years without eating, drinking, or sex from a former hedonist is more than enough to make him a mass murdering psychopath. That's the direction they should have gone with the character.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:00 am to OMLandshark
Well damn son, that's intricate.
Give me three days.
Give me three days.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:06 am to OMLandshark
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So who would you have cast?
I actually heard a few weeks ago on a podcast that Misha Collins from Supernatural was one of the final choices for the role.
He said he went to Skywalker Ranch and had the big sit down with everyone and had to agree to keep it quiet until they cast someone. Would have been better that Hayden.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:03 am to OMLandshark
Jake Gyllenhaal
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:11 am to OMLandshark
Dialog was the problem not the acting. The writing was god awful for Anakin.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:17 am to OMLandshark
wouldn't have mattered given the shitty dialogue and story. episode 1 should never have been made. Episode 2 should have been episode 1 and the 3rd one should have been broken into two movies to allow for a slower transition to the dark side. monumental fail that no actor could have saved.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:21 am to TigerMyth36
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Dialog was the problem not the acting. The writing was god awful for Anakin.
And the directing, if possible was worse. The entire series of films, while tecnically dazzling, was a disaster at the critical levels of acting, writing and direction.
In the kid's defense, nobody was very good - and I mean nobody - except, perhaps McGregor and Palpatine. Neeson was terrible, Portman was terrible - and we know these folks can act - we've seen them do it.
When you have something this poorly executed, yet this well funded, the fingers all point at one George Walton Lucas.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:22 am to OMLandshark
JGL
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:56 am to TigerMyth36
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Dialog was the problem not the acting. The writing was god awful for Anakin.
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I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:58 am to Josh Fenderman
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I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
That dialogue was terrible, and is still terrible to watch.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:59 am to Josh Fenderman
Laurence Olivier would have struggled with that script
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:01 am to Ace Midnight
I don't know Ace. I thought McGregor nailed Obi Wan and provided an excellent transition into Guinness' performance in Episode IV. Neeson wasn't terrible either, theres a great example of shitty dialogue.
But outside of that, I'm with you. Portman wasn't good. Christiansen was awwwful. There are scenes between he and Portman that are painful to watch.
So frustrating because I thought the fight between Obi Wan and Anakin in Revenge of the Sith was epic, only to be ruined everytime Anakin opened his mouth.
But outside of that, I'm with you. Portman wasn't good. Christiansen was awwwful. There are scenes between he and Portman that are painful to watch.
So frustrating because I thought the fight between Obi Wan and Anakin in Revenge of the Sith was epic, only to be ruined everytime Anakin opened his mouth.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:03 am to Tiger Ryno
I've always felt kind of dumb for not understanding how Episode 1 really fits into the others.
And the dialogue was awful for all characters through all prequels. No actor came out of those movies looking good. Samuel L made a bad Jedi.
And the dialogue was awful for all characters through all prequels. No actor came out of those movies looking good. Samuel L made a bad Jedi.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:12 am to OMLandshark
Episode 1 could have been a good movie.
I've always thought about how awesome it would have been if they would have played boy Ani darker, having his slave existence be brutal, have this result in his being psychologically damaged to some extent and play that element into the character development leading towards the Dark Side turn.
When we got a bushy headed, happy, rosie cheeked, blonde scamp right from 80's family sitcom central casting, it was over.
I've always thought about how awesome it would have been if they would have played boy Ani darker, having his slave existence be brutal, have this result in his being psychologically damaged to some extent and play that element into the character development leading towards the Dark Side turn.
When we got a bushy headed, happy, rosie cheeked, blonde scamp right from 80's family sitcom central casting, it was over.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:27 am to elprez00
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I thought McGregor nailed Obi Wan
I excluded him, explicitly. He appeared to be the only one plugged in. The problem is we saw less and less of him, and more of the kid - not that it mattered.
My revised outline:
Film 1 - Anakin as a teenager, applies for Jedi training. Is accepted, but is a discipline problem - kind of gets it together at the end, though. Crisis with the emergence of Palpatine and a large Sith army (it never had to specify there were only 2 Sith, that was a self-inflicted wound.) Protagonist: Anakin. Antagonist: (sort of) - Yoda and the Jedi council.
Film 2 - The clone war starts - people are dying left and right. Palpatine begins introducing the Dark Side to various Jedi apprentices - a couple rat him out, but Skywalker is tempted - he is ambitious and impatient, but a great pilot. At the end, there is a turning point - Palpatine working on the inside and the large Sith army pressing in - there is, finally, an invasion. Protagonist: Yoda. Antagonist: The purported leader of the Sith army (but, actually, Palpatine's apprentice).
Film 3 - After a significant war of attrition, the actual "force wielders" numbers dwindle rapidly - until a handful on each side - Palpatine has not revealed himself. In the final battle, Palpatine comes in as Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin finish off the last of the Sith "Lords" - Palpatine turns Anakin with promises of greatness - Yoda keeps Palpatine occupied while Obi Wan f*cks up Skywalker. However, this battle buys enough time for Palpatine's conventional reinforcements to arrive. Protagonist: Obi Wan. Antagonists: Palpatine and Vader.
Seeing the writing on the wall, Yoda and Obi-Wan escape with the mother of Skywalker's children (and it never had to be a Queen - Leia could have just been raised by a King/Queen), as these children represent "the last hope".
No midi-clorians, no Jar-Jar and no "trade federation". The war should have been Sith and Jedi, (and their conventional auxiliaries), exclusively. No, "NOOOOOOO!!!!!!". None of that crap.
Would it have been perfect? No. Would it have been better than the crap we saw? Certainly.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:40 am to Scoop
I have mixed feelings about all three of the prequels. I feel like Ep 1 was needed to lay the foundation for the rise of the Empire and to show Palpatine's behind the curtain maneuvers.
Also, Anakin being discovered at such a young age ties in with the idea that Jedi were identified very early and tried their entire life.
However, with that being said...
I hated the immaculate Force conception story. Also, the fact that they have Qui-Gon in there blows a couple of big plotholes based on the original movies. First, we see Kenobi as Qui-Gon's padwan, when in Ep V Ben's ghost tells Luke he will go to Dagobah and learn from "Yoda, the Jedi master who instructed me." When the f did Yoda instruct Kenobi, unless it was supposed to be when he was a little kid before becoming a padwan. Also, in the conversation on Dagobah, Ben refers to being angry and reckless when he was Luke's age, something we never see in the prequels.
I would have liked to have seen Kenobi and Anakin be about the same age, and bond because they have the same types of feelings of anger and recklessness. However, Kenobi overcomes it to become a Jedi, while Anakin falls prey to it.
Also, I feel like the whole Padme character was created just to have a mother for Luke & Leia, as well as give a reason for Leia to be a princess.
Also, Anakin being discovered at such a young age ties in with the idea that Jedi were identified very early and tried their entire life.
However, with that being said...
I hated the immaculate Force conception story. Also, the fact that they have Qui-Gon in there blows a couple of big plotholes based on the original movies. First, we see Kenobi as Qui-Gon's padwan, when in Ep V Ben's ghost tells Luke he will go to Dagobah and learn from "Yoda, the Jedi master who instructed me." When the f did Yoda instruct Kenobi, unless it was supposed to be when he was a little kid before becoming a padwan. Also, in the conversation on Dagobah, Ben refers to being angry and reckless when he was Luke's age, something we never see in the prequels.
I would have liked to have seen Kenobi and Anakin be about the same age, and bond because they have the same types of feelings of anger and recklessness. However, Kenobi overcomes it to become a Jedi, while Anakin falls prey to it.
Also, I feel like the whole Padme character was created just to have a mother for Luke & Leia, as well as give a reason for Leia to be a princess.
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