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Pentagon plants to shrink army to pre WW2 level
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:38 am
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:38 am
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:41 am to Eurocat
Great - more super aggressive former military patrolling the streets as policemen
We need to cut the huge pork contracts and wasteful spending, not the relatively cheap jobs that the soldiers have.
We need to cut the huge pork contracts and wasteful spending, not the relatively cheap jobs that the soldiers have.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 2:42 am
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:47 am to Eurocat
Article was short on specifics, but it seemed like the cuts were to monetary compensation for military personnel, which should not be on the table.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:42 am to CherryGarciaMan
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Article was short on specifics, but it seemed like the cuts were to monetary compensation for military personnel, which should not be on the table.
And why not? The military sells itself as a job...most of the people in the military are there because it is a job first...there are wages involved. The market for these jobs is smaller than it has been....thus the price of that labor is lower than it has been.
The military is bloated with people....we have been on a war footing for what, 12 years now??? the number of people needed now is just not what it was and as everyone who worships at the alter of the market when demand drops and supply is abundant prices will plummet.
I don't like the idea of military pay cuts anymore than anyone else BUT they make sense from a management point of view.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:12 am to germandawg
Meanwhile, China and Russia are building theirs...
and they don't like us.
Real smart Obama. Sometimes I think Obama and his people hate America. Cut its defensive superiority, bankrupt it, divide its people...
and they don't like us.
Real smart Obama. Sometimes I think Obama and his people hate America. Cut its defensive superiority, bankrupt it, divide its people...
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:19 am to CherryGarciaMan
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The officials acknowledge that budget cuts will impose greater risk on the armed forces if they are again ordered to carry out two large-scale military actions at the same time: Success would take longer, they say, and there would be a larger number of casualties.
Obama and the libs - making cars safer to save the Earth - who cares if there are more casualties due to fender benders?
Obama and the libs - cut evil military spending to get extra cash to give to their buddies and their voters - who cares if there are more casualties in a two front war?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:38 am to CherryGarciaMan
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cuts were to monetary compensation for military personnel, which should not be on the table.
Sure they should, I get a military pension, my son is on AD, there is no reason military pay should not be as subject to cuts or at least freezes as anything else (benefits for dysfunctionals, other retirees, Congressional and other federal pay etc.
Military pay has increased too much since we eliminated the draft and engaged in decades of unnecessary wars. Too many dual pay families and double dippers also. The system should be over hauled.
OTOH, increased funding of benefits of illegals, and other such Democrat crap should not be allowed if we cut other areas.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:03 am to EST
Great news. You can't be serious about fixing our financial position if the military is off the table. They could take a machete to the pentagon budget and still have the most powerful force in the world by many times over.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:10 am to EST
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Meanwhile, China and Russia are building theirs...
So that means we should expand ours?
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and they don't like us.
Who gives a shite?
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Real smart Obama. Sometimes I think Obama and his people hate America. Cut its defensive superiority, bankrupt it, divide its people...
I don't understand how any conservative should be advocating for more military spending
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:22 am to Eurocat
quote:U.S. government agencies face use-it-or-lose-it budget rules each fiscal year. They either spend the funds Congress has allocated or return them to the Treasury. Simply allowing agencies to roll over unused funding into the subsequent ?scal year would be a huge improvement with no impact on quality whatsoever.
Pentagon plants to shrink army to pre WW2 level
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:27 am to NC_Tigah
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Simply allowing agencies to roll over unused funding into the subsequent ?scal year would be a huge improvement with no impact on quality whatsoever.
Yep, 100% in favor of that.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:33 am to Eurocat
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the United States Army to its smallest force since before the World War II buildup
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:38 am to EST
What gets me is the number of posters on this board, who seem to think that the US can retreat from the world, without any significant risk to our safety and interests.
They also have no problem with ceding power to the Russians and Chinese, who will then be calling the tune, to which the US will have to dance.
How old are these posters, and were they not taught US History in school?
They also have no problem with ceding power to the Russians and Chinese, who will then be calling the tune, to which the US will have to dance.
How old are these posters, and were they not taught US History in school?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:42 am to redandright
If we are going to shrink any branch Army would probably be best. It is hard to rapidly outfit the airforce or navy with draftees. I have a feeling that the plan is to shrink everything, that would be a problem. We can't walk away from the rest of the world without causing a power void that other countries are going to try to fill...
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:45 am to redandright
quote:We currently spend more than 4X-China and 7X Russia on our military. Our military budget comprises 40% of the entire world's military expenditures.
They also have no problem with ceding power to the Russians and Chinese
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:45 am to NC_Tigah
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Simply allowing agencies to roll over unused funding into the subsequent fiscal year would be a huge improvement
There are such funds, actually. Broadly speaking, Congress allocates authority to spend into appropriations that either have a defined beginning and end, *or* that roll over year-to-year.
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No-year appropriations are available for obligation without fiscal year limitation. The standard language used by Congress is that such funds "remain available until expended" (40 Comp Gen 694 (1961); B-271607, June 3, 1996). Without a prescribed period of availability, there is no fixed period during which the bona fide need must arise, nor a fixed period in which the funds must be obligated and subsequently disbursed.
No-year appropriations don't "expire" at the end of the year like the other ones do.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:47 am to germandawg
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most of the people in the military are there because it is a job first
yeah ... I can remember Daddy the Vietnam Vet saying ... "Son, if you want to get rich with a nice, cushy job ... don't be a doctor, or a lawyer, or even of one those Wall St. guys ... join the military, because that's where the money's at."
At that point in time, not sure if the complete BS job of "community organizer" had been invented yet.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:48 am to NC_Tigah
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We currently spend more than 4X-China and 7X Russia on our military.
I wonder what the difference is in military pay spending vs hardware spending...
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:04 am to wickowick
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I wonder what the difference is in military pay spending vs hardware spending...
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Many of the weapons systems that the Obama administration wanted to retire — such as three Navy cruisers — were kept in. The final did, however, make plans to reduce civilian and contractor personnel by 5 percent over the next five years.
The United States spent more on its military than the next 13 nations combined in 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:08 am to NC_Tigah
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We currently spend more than 4X-China and 7X Russia on our military. Our military budget comprises 40% of the entire world's military expenditures.
That meme is a bit disingenuous. Most of our military spending is on retirement and military health care.
That's what needs to be overhauled. It's really not the worst miliatry spending cut I could imagine. Not cutting the Navy is encouraging. If anything we need increase the size of the Navy and reduce the size of the Army.
Of course, I doubt this passes. The lobbies will kill it. And I'd like to see the Republicans demand dollar for dollar cuts for entitlement cuts.
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