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St. George vs. EBR Parish: Is Overcrowding the Problem with EBR Schools?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:00 pm
ETA: See the rest of my posts before forming an opinion, in order to not be confused on the issue.
The wrangler brought up a good point in the thread on the O-T.
EBR Parish school system has 90 schools. The population of EBR is 230,000.
The unincorporated area of St. George has a population of 107,000 and only 11 schools (someone verify this) service the area.
Just thought this was interesting.
The wrangler brought up a good point in the thread on the O-T.
EBR Parish school system has 90 schools. The population of EBR is 230,000.
The unincorporated area of St. George has a population of 107,000 and only 11 schools (someone verify this) service the area.
Just thought this was interesting.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 1:15 pm
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:06 pm to BugAC
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The population of EBR is 230,000.
You sure about this number?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:08 pm to BugAC
quote:You're off by about 90%.
The population of EBR is 230,000.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:11 pm to BugAC
quote:
The population of EBR is 230,000.
EBR is 440,000+
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:16 pm to dragginass
Sorry, BR is 230k
So that's 80 schools for 440, and 11 for 107. That's is still a very high ratio for ebr. And does that 440 include the 107 in st. George?
So that's 80 schools for 440, and 11 for 107. That's is still a very high ratio for ebr. And does that 440 include the 107 in st. George?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:23 pm to BugAC
How many school age?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:53 pm to udtiger
quote:Please stop asking logical questions. They are not appreciated in St George threads. And of course class size numbers aren't important.
How many school age?
Neither is the population density of an area. It's not important that SG is larger in area than the city of Baton Rouge's city limits meaning population density is much less in SG.
And please don't point out the total number of schools in BR includes privately run charter schools, special schools for special needs children, magnet schools that draw students from inside and outside the city limits (including St George), several "alternative schools" for at risk students from all over the parish and several schools which are outside of the city limits but not in the SG area all of which increase the school system's school count but are not related to the city's population numbers.
Those facts are irrelevant.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:44 pm to LSURussian
Actually that is incorrect russian. Those schools are not private schools. Google, number of public schools in east Baton Rouge parish. Several sources come up including one with the name, location, and area served by every school in the parish.
And what is this population density BS? For every one school in at. George there are 9,777 students if you based it on population alone. For every one school in the rest of ebr there are 4215 students. So double the amount of students per school in st George. Of course this is based off pure population. However the family dynamic probably doesn't change that drastically except for in very poor areas.
It's telling russian. I'm just posting some statistics and you are getting very defensive.
And what is this population density BS? For every one school in at. George there are 9,777 students if you based it on population alone. For every one school in the rest of ebr there are 4215 students. So double the amount of students per school in st George. Of course this is based off pure population. However the family dynamic probably doesn't change that drastically except for in very poor areas.
It's telling russian. I'm just posting some statistics and you are getting very defensive.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:46 pm to BugAC
And it sounds like you are disregarding the education issue completely and trying to downplay the terrible school system which is widely agreed to, needs drastic changes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:57 pm to BugAC
St. George doesn't need as many public schools b/c many of those residents send their kids to private schools.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:14 pm to BugAC
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Actually that is incorrect russian. Those schools are not private schools
It is correct, Bug.
Charter schools are publicly funded but privately run and are considered public schools. If you look on the EBRSS website the charter schools are listed in a separate category but are included in the total number of schools.
quote:
George there are 9,777 students if you based it on population alone. For every one school in the rest of ebr there are 4215 students. So
But just going by population alone is irrelevant. How many people in SG are either older persons who moved to get out of the city or young people just starting out and who don't have children or only have one or two children? (Consider the demographics in SG with the city where households include larger numbers of children per adult.)
It's not the total population who sits in classrooms. It's the number of school age children that matters.
There are at least 2,000 students who live in SG but attend magnet schools inside the BR city limits. That information was in the article of the Better Together parents meeting who don't want their children to be forced to leave their current school and transfer to a proposed SG school. That alone represents 3 or 4 schools worth of students.
Add to that the schools which are outside the city limits but not in SG, the special schools which draw from all over the parish and the charter schools which usually have very small class sizes, and your method of dividing the population of BR by the total number of schools in the parish not in SG is filled with errors in logic.
I have seen nothing in the news that schools currently in the SG proposed district are overcrowded except involving students from the Gardere area who can't attend Lee HS because it is under reconstruction.
quote:I'm not defensive...I'm annoyed at having to continually explain simple statistical information over and over to people who don't really want to know the facts.
I'm just posting some statistics and you are getting very defensive
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:19 pm to dragginass
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Metro BR is 230k. Not sure if thats what he meant.
Metro BR is 810,000
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So metro BR has 230k residents and about 70 schools, and st.George has 100k and 7 schools. The conclusion is still pretty clear.....
And those 70 schools aren't all in the BR city limits.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:28 pm to Golfer
Golf, am I off base thinking class size should determine the need for additional schools in an area and not the general population number in that area?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:30 pm to LSURussian
No. Should be a student-teacher ratio and that should determine the number of classrooms needed.
I have a public elementary school a few blocks from my house. They only have 2 classes per grade iirc.
I have a public elementary school a few blocks from my house. They only have 2 classes per grade iirc.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:42 pm to Golfer
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:52 pm to Golfer
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:53 pm to dragginass
quote:
Where do y'all get this junk. EBRP is 400k TOTAL.
The Baton Rouge metropolitan statistical area (BR Metro) is 810k
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:53 pm to BugAC
Honestly, I believe the location of the public schools as they are is just a statistical quirk. I do not believe there was some kind of master plan to screw any segment of the population.
Three factors drove the location of schools .
First schools were built downtown and as the city grew others were added from downtown out.
Two the Feds had a lot of control over where kids went to school. Schools were filled as directed by the judge .
Third as parents pulled their children out of the system and to private schools or out of the parish then there was no need fir new schools. One people weren't in the mood to build new ones and if they did the judge wasn't going to let them build them in the suburbs.
The result was a high number of schools closer to downtown. And reality is many old schools and even some relatively new schools were closed due to white flight.
Again the lack of public schools in SG is just a quirk. Nothing was sinister or underhanded .
Three factors drove the location of schools .
First schools were built downtown and as the city grew others were added from downtown out.
Two the Feds had a lot of control over where kids went to school. Schools were filled as directed by the judge .
Third as parents pulled their children out of the system and to private schools or out of the parish then there was no need fir new schools. One people weren't in the mood to build new ones and if they did the judge wasn't going to let them build them in the suburbs.
The result was a high number of schools closer to downtown. And reality is many old schools and even some relatively new schools were closed due to white flight.
Again the lack of public schools in SG is just a quirk. Nothing was sinister or underhanded .
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:53 pm to dragginass
quote:
Metro BR is 810,000
Where do y'all get this junk. EBRP is 400k TOTAL.
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