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Does it ever bother you to see a judge hand down a sentence?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:45 pm
Was watching some court videos the other day and saw a judge sentencing a man for drug possession. It struck me as fricked up. The judge was just a lady, another person with her own belief system and set of morals. Maybe she is an alcoholic. Maybe she cheats on her husband. Maybe she's perfect according to the Judeo-Christian moral standard (whatever that means)......but she sentenced a man to jail for possession of something that will likely be decriminalized in her jurisdiction very soon. Taking his time. Putting him in a prison.
On the other hand, you see judges hand down soft penalties as in the "affluenza" case.
It's just kind of weird.
On the other hand, you see judges hand down soft penalties as in the "affluenza" case.
It's just kind of weird.
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:47 pm to Upperaltiger06
He was thrown in jail for possession of marijuana? Where was this? How much pot did he have on him?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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thrown in jail for possession of marijuana?
Not sure that he meant that it was pot.
To the OP: It's the job of the judge to hand out a sentence for a violation of the law. It's her job. Someone's got to do it. No one is perfect.
Furthermore, quit pretending that drug use and drug distribution cause no societal ills. Just because making it illegal MAY turn out to be worse than the ills that it is trying to cure, doesn't make it a good thing.
There is no ambiguity here. He knew the law (not that it is necessary) He broke the law. He was caught. He will be sentenced. If in state court and a first offender, he will almost assuredly get probation.
Quit your mealy mouthed lament.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Was watching random vids on YouTube. I may be mistaken. It could have been intent to distribute or something of the sorts......regardless it's fricked.
Here's one I saw when searching for it where a man receives a life sentence following his fourth arrest for distribution. LINK
Here's one I saw when searching for it where a man receives a life sentence following his fourth arrest for distribution. LINK
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:59 pm to Jimbeaux
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There is no ambiguity here. He knew the law (not that it is necessary) He broke the law. He was caught. He will be sentenced. If in state court and a first offender, he will almost assuredly get probation.
Quit your mealy mouthed lament.
...and this concludes this thread, folks!
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:03 pm to Jimbeaux
The law is temporary. That law will likely change. How do you reconcile locking a man up for something you will see as perfectly legal within a few years?
I never said that drugs caused no societal ills.....do you think that prison is a good form of punishment/rehabilitation for a crime of this nature? Would locking a poorly behaved in a kennel with several wild dogs be an appropriate way to punish or rehabilitate that dog? Would it be better off having spent time there?
I never said that drugs caused no societal ills.....do you think that prison is a good form of punishment/rehabilitation for a crime of this nature? Would locking a poorly behaved in a kennel with several wild dogs be an appropriate way to punish or rehabilitate that dog? Would it be better off having spent time there?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:13 pm to Upperaltiger06
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The law is temporary. That law will likely change. How do you reconcile locking a man up for something you will see as perfectly legal within a few years
I hope you're not holding your breath. Nevertheless, if the law is changed, he can file for a new sentencing hearing and he would get it.
Regarding your metaphor, it's not apt. I know this much, without the threat of jail most addicts would never take recovery seriously.
Addicts DON'T WANT TO QUIT.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:14 pm to Upperaltiger06
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The law is temporary. That law will likely change. How do you reconcile locking a man up for something you will see as perfectly legal within a few years?
Well you don't. If the law is changed then he would or should be let out. Although at the time of the crime it was against the law.
That's like saying that if I get a ticket last week for goin 55 in a 35 but the limit is changed to 55 next week then I should be pardoned from the ticket.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:18 pm to TigerDat
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Well you don't. If the law is changed then he would or should be let out. Although at the time of the crime it was against the law.
I never signed a contract to let the government enforce behavior on me, yet any resistance I have is futile.
Were I to not pay money I supposedly own in taxes I'd be kidnapped. At least the common thief doesn't pretend to be a do-gooder.
I keep hearing apologists tell me that the govt is a good idea. How good of an idea is it if you have to use guns and the threat of violence to even get that "good idea" going.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:23 pm to Jimbeaux
Why is my metaphor inappropriate?
Hold my breath? That's a bad metaphor. Tell that to someone who is wasting years of their life in prison. So you're saying that a man is charged for an act, is punished for it with a jail sentence, the law is changed, he gets another trial.....maybe years later, is freed, and all is well?
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I hope your not holding your breath. Nevertheless, if the law is changed, he can file for a new sentencing hearing and he would get it.
Hold my breath? That's a bad metaphor. Tell that to someone who is wasting years of their life in prison. So you're saying that a man is charged for an act, is punished for it with a jail sentence, the law is changed, he gets another trial.....maybe years later, is freed, and all is well?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:29 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Hold my breath? That's a bad metaphor. Tell that to someone who is wasting years of their life in prison. So you're saying that a man is charged for an act, is punished for it with a jail sentence, the law is changed, he gets another trial.....maybe years later, is freed, and all is well?
Well, um, yeah. There's lots of laws I don't like but I am not stupid enough to violate any of them, at least not where I get caught.
If something's illegal now, not doing it insures you are not terribly wronged if it is changed later. Everybody knows where pot is illegal and what the penalties are and we are told ad nauseum how non-addictive it is, so put on your fricking big boy pants and evaluate the risks and understand that you are taking them.
Occam's razor
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:30 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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I keep hearing apologists tell me that the govt is a good idea. How good of an idea is it if you have to use guns and the threat of violence to even get that "good idea" going.
I am not saying it is a good idea at all but its the laws of the land and until they are changed or the govt shut down then that is the way it is
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:35 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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I never signed a contract to let the government enforce behavior on me, yet any resistance I have is futile.
Were I to not pay money I supposedly own in taxes I'd be kidnapped. At least the common thief doesn't pretend to be a do-gooder.
I keep hearing apologists tell me that the govt is a good idea. How good of an idea is it if you have to use guns and the threat of violence to even get that "good idea" going.
That sounds like Soveriegn Citizen talk. Very short sighted thinking. Please let your imagined scenario play out in your head - everyone gets to decide whether or not they are to be held accountable to the established laws of a region... Would you really prefer lawlessness? I guess if the laws were extremely onerous, maybe.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:35 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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I never signed a contract to let the government enforce behavior on me, yet any resistance I have is futile.
Yes you did. Its called citizenship
Dont like it, opt out of the contract
Then come back and post how wonderful life is without a country
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:40 pm to gthog61
I get it. See irrational use justice and punishment. Accept it. Move on.
Talk about needing to put on some "fricking big boy pants"? You see things that don't make sense and actively disregard them. That's self accountability there.
Hickam's Dictum
Talk about needing to put on some "fricking big boy pants"? You see things that don't make sense and actively disregard them. That's self accountability there.
Hickam's Dictum
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:42 pm to League Champs
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Yes you did. Its called citizenship
When exactly did I sign this contract?
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Dont like it, opt out of the contract
If I were to resist in any way I'd be kidnapped and locked away for years for nothing but acting on my conscience.
At least acknowledge the government uses violence as the main way to get things accomplished. They didn't "ask" for taxes, so please don't pretend I had a real choice.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:43 pm to Upperaltiger06
I don't know. If you want to engage in criminal activity, learn what it is that you are doing, figure out what quantity limits are misdemeanor vs felony, study the the sentencing guidelines - choose your risks. Pretty damn simple to me. Doesn't matter what the laws should be or whether you agree with them. It only matter what they are now.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:47 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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...and this concludes this thread, folks!
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:51 pm to Jimbeaux
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That sounds like Soveriegn Citizen talk
Don't know or care who they are. Please don't try to put my ideas in a box.
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Very short sighted thinking.
I'm not pretending to plan a whole society. I'm just pointing out the real moral issues in our current govt system where violence or its threat coerces people into submission.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:53 pm to Diamondawg
Slow down. I'm not looking for loop holes or to break a particular law. I'm pointing out the absurdity of certain scenarios where one hairless ape tells another that what they think and do is not best for their group of apes and has them locked in a cage.
Let's be real. How many people here know a cop, lawyer, or judge that they know has their own personal issues......everyone does.
For the record, I'm not saying rape and murder are okay and should go unpunished.
Let's be real. How many people here know a cop, lawyer, or judge that they know has their own personal issues......everyone does.
For the record, I'm not saying rape and murder are okay and should go unpunished.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:55 pm
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