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sub-chapter S corp?

Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted by bigwheel
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:10 pm
what are advantages, Disadvantages?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:20 pm to
Income flows down to personal income. Either on a K1, depending on number of shareholders, of if a sole. prop s-corp, on supp. income and loss for your business on personal taxes.

Disadvantages, at least to me, you can have retained earnings in the s-corp, but will pay tax on it that year, even though you don't take a distribution.



Posted by LSUregit
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:15 pm to
It's the best
Posted by NEWBIE
Member since Jun 2008
196 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:25 pm to
You can pay yourself a normal "fair" salary and also through distributions.

Your salary will have taxes taken out of it.
The distribution portion will not have the self-emp. tax and will be taxed at your person income level.
I believe that rate is still 15.3%, so you can save yourself a significant amount in taxes.

You cannot pay yourself completely with distributions. I believe the IRS likes to see over 50% through salary. This is where the "fair" term gets interpreted. I would speak with a CPA or tax attorney to see what they advise for your particular situation.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 8:20 pm
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:14 pm to
You aren't subject to double taxation instances like with C Corp
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35481 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:13 pm to
What do you mean when you say the salary will have self-employment taxes taken out?

My company is a LLC but for tax purposes we are treated as an S Corp. I'm taxed like a regular employee in relation to salary. What you say about distributions is true and I am subject to pay tax personally on any profit.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 6:14 pm
Posted by NEWBIE
Member since Jun 2008
196 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:46 pm to
I think I could have worded that differently.

If you have a single member LLC or a multiple member/manager LLC, you are taxed as a sole proprietorship or as a partnership. Both of these are taxed at year end when you file a 1040SE, self-employment tax.

If you file as an s-corp, you do not pay self employment tax because SS and Med. are taken out of your salary(reflected on your W-2).

The benefit of the distribution is they are only subject to your personal income tax rate.

Side note: A con would be having to file quarterly filings for estimated taxes, but with quickbooks or some other software, this is not that big of a burden.

Also, if you have multiple members, the distributions need to be proportional to the ownership interest. There are a few nit picky rules you need to abide by; which is why you should talk to a tax professional.
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2759 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 7:34 pm to
What are the deadlines for the elections? I have been a regular LLC for awhile but I have been thinking of electing as an scorp.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35481 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 7:42 pm to
Yeah, the tax professional is my wife and believe me she is nit picky.

I usually take out less than 20% in disbursements in relation to my income.
Posted by NEWBIE
Member since Jun 2008
196 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:12 pm to
I am not sure when you must designate as an S-Corp with the IRS. Maybe Poodle or someone else can chime in. I'm sure any CPA's office would know off hand.

Remember, you can not switch back and forth from one to the other. I believe after several years, you can go back to filing as an LLC, but the IRS does not allow changing your designation often.

quote:

I usually take out less than 20% in disbursements in relation to my income.


Smart. I know a few people who have tried to get as close to the line as possible. I view that as trying to get audited. Less attention from the IRS, the better.
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2759 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:25 pm to
Would it be worth it with these numbers.

Lets say taxable profit is 140k.

If I switch to scorp and "pay" myself 90k. Then take 50k in disbursements.

Is it worth the switch?
Posted by NEWBIE
Member since Jun 2008
196 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:41 pm to
I don't feel comfortable giving that advice out. I am not a tax professional. I just know some of the benefits of filing as different designations.

Found this on SBA.gov:

quote:

Disadvantages of an S Corporation

Stricter Operational Processes. As a separate structure, S corps require scheduled director and shareholder meetings, minutes from those meetings, adoption and updates to by-laws, stock transfers and records maintenance.

Shareholder Compensation Requirements. A shareholder must receive reasonable compensation. The IRS takes notice of shareholder red flags like low salary/high distribution combinations, and may reclassify your distributions as wages. You could pay a higher employment tax because of an audit with these results.


I would talk with a professional who can look at the overall picture of your business and personal tax returns to properly plan a tax strategy that fits your circumstances.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 9:01 pm
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2759 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:44 pm to
I was just asking tax savings-wise. If it is not that much, then it is not worth the trouble.
Posted by NEWBIE
Member since Jun 2008
196 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:59 pm to
IRS

Enter your numbers in this tax calculator for each scenario.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35481 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:00 pm to
You can't just switch the way you are paid at a whim.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:00 pm to
If your tax income from the entity is 140K, right now, you are paying income tax, as well as self-employment tax (full amount to about 117K in 2014, rest is medicare tax only).

If you took 90K in salary, that amount would be subject to payroll tax (social security and medicare, paid one-half by company and one-half by you via withholding) and the other 50K would not be subject to payroll tax.

You would save a few thousand per year.

As far as timing, if you submitted the election by March 15th, you can be an S Corp for 2014. There are provisions for a "late" election, but at that point you probably want to get a professional to help out.

The big negative is that you have to actually pay yourself a salary, which means running payroll, dealing with payroll tax returns, etc. Of course, you could hire a payroll tax service to do all of this for you, but there is a cost to that.

Without knowing your entire situation, I would say an S Corp certainly might be a good idea, and it's probably worth talking to a pro who can run the numbers for you.
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2759 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:22 pm to
I already have some employees and do all their payroll through QB, so that would not be a problem. I can add myself in a second. The "reasonable pay" of 90k is what I was going to make doing the same work before I started my own company. I actually already have a CPA and we really never talked about this extensively yet. But the business profit is getting higher and I am trying to find ways to save on taxes.
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2759 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:25 pm to
VA - You can't just switch the way you are paid at a whim.

I thought that was the point...to make a decision to switch from filing as a regular LLC to filing as an SCorp?
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