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True Detective: Pre-Episode 4 Discussion
Posted on 2/4/14 at 8:45 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 8:45 am
Welp, we are 6 days away until the beginning of the 2nd act of this Epic southern crime noir.
When we last left the story, Cohle was just about to start telling the two detectives how they came to find Reggie Ledoux. for a quick reference to the common 3-Act Structure:
so, we have established the characters, their environment and the world they live in. We know the inciting incident the discovery that the case they thought to be solved in 1995 is likely not solved as they discover another dead body that matches the MO of the killing of Dora Lang.
Now, time to begin act 2 which usually signals an escalation in actions taken by the protagonists which may lead to even greater challenges or obstacles to be overcome…
Buckle your seat belts
When we last left the story, Cohle was just about to start telling the two detectives how they came to find Reggie Ledoux. for a quick reference to the common 3-Act Structure:
quote:
The first act is usually used for exposition, to establish the main characters, their relationships and the world they live in. Later in the first act, a dynamic, on-screen incident occurs that confronts the main character (the protagonist), whose attempts to deal with this incident lead to a second and more dramatic situation, known as the first turning point, which (a) signals the end of the first act, (b) ensures life will never be the same again for the protagonist and (c) raises a dramatic question that will be answered in the climax of the film. The dramatic question should be framed in terms of the protagonist's call to action, (Will X recover the diamond? Will Y get the girl? Will Z capture the killer?).[1] This is known as the inciting incident, or catalyst. As an example, the inciting incident in the 1972 film The Godfather is when Vito Corleone is shot, which occurs approximately 40 minutes into the film.
The second act, also referred to as "rising action", typically depicts the protagonist's attempt to resolve the problem initiated by the first turning point, only to find him- or herself in ever worsening situations. Part of the reason protagonists seem unable to resolve their problems is because they do not yet have the skills to deal with the forces of antagonism that confront them. They must not only learn new skills but arrive at a higher sense of awareness of who they are and what they are capable of, in order to deal with their predicament, which in turn changes who they are. This is referred to as character development or a character arc. This cannot be achieved alone and they are usually aided and abetted by mentors and co-protagonists.[1]
The third act features the resolution of the story and its subplots. The climax is the scene or sequence in which the main tensions of the story are brought to their most intense point and the dramatic question answered, leaving the protagonist and other characters with a new sense of who they really are.[1
so, we have established the characters, their environment and the world they live in. We know the inciting incident the discovery that the case they thought to be solved in 1995 is likely not solved as they discover another dead body that matches the MO of the killing of Dora Lang.
Now, time to begin act 2 which usually signals an escalation in actions taken by the protagonists which may lead to even greater challenges or obstacles to be overcome…
Buckle your seat belts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 8:56 am to Tiger Ryno
not to derail the thread, but is the show good? i though it looked interesting. if it is, ima gank my buddies HBO on demand and watch it.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:01 am to Thracken13
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is the show good?
yes
Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:08 am to Thracken13
Yes. extremely good. if you like Noir crime shows you will like this. its like an 8 hour independent film. They used one director so there is a consistent look and feel to the episodes. it really is like one long movie
Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:11 am to Tiger Ryno
you guys sold me - ill be checking it out soon and getting caught up as soon as possible.
thx
thx
Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:48 am to Thracken13
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not to derail the thread, but is the show good? i though it looked interesting. if it is, ima gank my buddies HBO on demand and watch it.
I posted the article on facebook of the HBO CEO saying he was ok with people sharing their accounts just to fish for a login to watch this show.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:49 am to barry
I'm going to buy HBO this month and then cancel after the finale.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:04 am to Tiger Ryno
Thread derailed....
So to get back on topic, what do you see unfolding?
Certainly it looks like they will continue the flashback/present day format. Will the format continue to be via present day interrogations and flashbacks? Will Rust and/or Marty eventually lead the 2 black cops to the guilty party right there from the interrogation room, illustrating that they knew all along that the guilty party was still out there, but couldn't prove it (or maybe were prevented from proving it)?
When this is over are either Mart or Rust the hero?
So to get back on topic, what do you see unfolding?
Certainly it looks like they will continue the flashback/present day format. Will the format continue to be via present day interrogations and flashbacks? Will Rust and/or Marty eventually lead the 2 black cops to the guilty party right there from the interrogation room, illustrating that they knew all along that the guilty party was still out there, but couldn't prove it (or maybe were prevented from proving it)?
When this is over are either Mart or Rust the hero?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:08 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I think episode 4/early episode 5 will show them wrapping up the case and the aftermath, while they continue to give interviews int the 2012 timeline…I think it will be clear than one or both of them are not giving an accurate account of what went down…Cohle will learn a few things that the detectives know about the new case in 2012. I think Episode 6 will show the falling out that happened in 2002 and will show the interviews being concluded.
7-8 will show Cohle/Marty trying to solve the new case "off book" on their own
7-8 will show Cohle/Marty trying to solve the new case "off book" on their own
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:56 am to Tiger Ryno
Interesting, I just read your other thread. So they are going to actually go out in 2012 to try to solve, IYHO.
Could be good stuff.
Could be good stuff.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:57 am to barry
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I posted the article on facebook of the HBO CEO saying he was ok with people sharing their accounts just to fish for a login to watch this show.
I did the same, and succeeded.
Great new interview (very long) with Pizzolatto.
Inside the Obsessive, Strange Mind of True Detective’s Nic Pizzolatto
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:06 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:
for a quick reference to the common 3-Act Structure:
quote:
The first act is usually used for exposition, to establish the main characters, their relationships and the world they live in. Later in the first act, a dynamic, on-screen incident occurs that confronts the main character (the protagonist), whose attempts to deal with this incident lead to a second and more dramatic situation, known as the first turning point, which (a) signals the end of the first act, (b) ensures life will never be the same again for the protagonist and (c) raises a dramatic question that will be answered in the climax of the film. The dramatic question should be framed in terms of the protagonist's call to action, (Will X recover the diamond? Will Y get the girl? Will Z capture the killer?).[1] This is known as the inciting incident, or catalyst. As an example, the inciting incident in the 1972 film The Godfather is when Vito Corleone is shot, which occurs approximately 40 minutes into the film.
The second act, also referred to as "rising action", typically depicts the protagonist's attempt to resolve the problem initiated by the first turning point, only to find him- or herself in ever worsening situations. Part of the reason protagonists seem unable to resolve their problems is because they do not yet have the skills to deal with the forces of antagonism that confront them. They must not only learn new skills but arrive at a higher sense of awareness of who they are and what they are capable of, in order to deal with their predicament, which in turn changes who they are. This is referred to as character development or a character arc. This cannot be achieved alone and they are usually aided and abetted by mentors and co-protagonists.[1]
The third act features the resolution of the story and its subplots. The climax is the scene or sequence in which the main tensions of the story are brought to their most intense point and the dramatic question answered, leaving the protagonist and other characters with a new sense of who they really are.[1
wow, what a dick.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:22 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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So to get back on topic, what do you see unfolding?
Reverend Billy Lee Tuttle at the forefront of the murders. Maybe not the murders themselves, but the mastermind behind them.
Tuttle's church "captures" people with lost souls and sinful pasts (via the tent ceremonies and such). They eventually heavily-drug the victims to get them to fall further down the rabbit hole (maybe Ledoux supplies the drugs), and then proceed to kill them in a very public fashion, probably as a showcase of their holy war mission to rid the world these "evil sinners". In the meantime, the public perception of these deceased people are "drugged-up prostitutes, criminals, and occultists", which in Louisiana essentially means they are the devil himself.
Eventually, the pressure from the PD and the Governor to resolve the case quickly forces Rusty and Marty to pin the murder on an obvious suspect (Ledoux). In the meantime, Rusty's super-genius instinct keeps telling him they are fingering the wrong guy.
In the end, Marty (who has more credibility in the office) makes the call to move on the wrong guy (via pressure from the corrupt governor and his yes-men bosses), and Rusty is not in agreement. Rusty questions his own brain and feelings by the unsureness of the decision and goes into a drunken tailspin, somehow causing a dissolution of the partnership.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:41 am to wilceaux
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Great new interview (very long) with Pizzolatto.
Inside the Obsessive, Strange Mind of True Detective’s Nic Pizzolatto
I really enjoyed that interview
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:55 am to Tiger Ryno
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that would suck
I kinda want to be wrong - would prefer a crazy surprise
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:22 pm to wilceaux
Wow great article on the interview with Pizzolato. I love how he says 85% of what you need to know about the story from episodes 1-6 is in the first episode if you are listening! :bang head:
Then he says the less I say about 7 and 8 the better….:coco2:
Then he says the less I say about 7 and 8 the better….:coco2:
Posted on 2/4/14 at 12:40 pm to Thracken13
Honestly, it's the best show I've seen since The Wire
I KNOW I KNOW RABBLE RABBLE
I KNOW I KNOW RABBLE RABBLE
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