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Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:37 pm
"Progress means not just changing, but changing for the better. If no set of moral ideas were truer or better than any other, there would be no sense in preferring civilized morality to savage morality, or Christian morality to Nazi morality.....The moment you say that one set of moral ideas can be better than another, you are, in fact, measuring them both by a standard, saying one conforms to the standard more nearly than the other."
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:48 pm to DeltaDoc
i agree. if all you want to do is change things around to make it seem like you did something while in office, then you are potentially breaking things that don't need it and ignoring the real issues that are deeper than surface level.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:50 pm to DeltaDoc
Yes,of course one set of moral standards can be objectively better than another.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:57 pm to Displaced
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:27 pm to NHTIGER
I think it is an interesting quote from Lewis in that it encapsulates many of the basic precepts that result in distain between the right and the left.
It is undeniable that most liberals, and even some avowed socialists, prefer, or at least, accept the term progressive as a description of their political existence.
As Lewis, I believe, correctly points out, one must necessarily change for the better to truly aspire to progress.
In order to move to the positive and not to the negative or stay neutral, you must necessarily know what neutral is currently...you must know what is better. You must have baseline standards.
It fascinates me what constitutes standards for progression in our society, whether you be left or right leaning.
It is undeniable that most liberals, and even some avowed socialists, prefer, or at least, accept the term progressive as a description of their political existence.
As Lewis, I believe, correctly points out, one must necessarily change for the better to truly aspire to progress.
In order to move to the positive and not to the negative or stay neutral, you must necessarily know what neutral is currently...you must know what is better. You must have baseline standards.
It fascinates me what constitutes standards for progression in our society, whether you be left or right leaning.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:00 pm to DeltaDoc
Are Liberal progressive agendas in the US changing the country for the better?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:17 pm to DeltaDoc
I believe it was CS Lewis that said the most insidious form of tyranny was the type that exercised said tyranny for the sake of your own good...
That is not an exact quote but it accurately reflects his point.
That is not an exact quote but it accurately reflects his point.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:32 pm to klrstix
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I believe it was CS Lewis that said the most insidious form of tyranny was the type that exercised said tyranny for the sake of your own good...
That is pretty close. Though the non-Christian would be apt to discount the wisdom of Lewis and his world view based simply on his religion, I think we could all learn from what was clearly a brilliant human being.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:00 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:the anti-racism and anti-sexism "agendas" have been extremely successful.
Are Liberal progressive agendas in the US changing the country for the better?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:08 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the anti-racism and anti-sexism "agendas" have been extremely successful.
I agree.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:13 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the anti-racism and anti-sexism "agendas" have been extremely successful
This assumes that only progressives are not racist or sexist. The democrats of the 1960s were the ones wearing hoods.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:15 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:dude please.
The democrats of the 1960s were the ones wearing hoods.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:16 pm to DeltaDoc
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This assumes that only progressives are not racist or sexist. The democrats of the 1960s were the ones wearing hoods.
In 2008, the Democrats supporting Hillary in the primary were racist. The Dems supporting Obama were sexist. Somehow out of all that, the Dems appointed themselves as arbiters of what is racist and sexist. That agenda has been very successful.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:31 pm to son of arlo
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Somehow out of all that, the Dems appointed themselves as arbiters of what is racist and sexist. That agenda has been very successful.
Funny how that has worked. Control the media and control the message I suppose.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:38 pm to son of arlo
quote:this is absurd.
the Democrats supporting Hillary in the primary were racist. The Dems supporting Obama were sexist. Somehow out of all that, the Dems appointed themselves as arbiters of what is racist and sexist. That agenda has been very successful.
The media found a few people to trumpet these ideas, because the media loves to show stuff like that because it pisses people off. The singular of data is not anecdote.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:44 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Tigah, you have to admit that the progressives are the champions of political correctness. They have been the authors and executioners on that front for decades.
What is it called political correctness, and not just correctness?
What is it called political correctness, and not just correctness?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:47 pm to DeltaDoc
It's called political correctness to make fun of it. That is a pejorative.
"progressive" are champions of not being a dick by calling people names that label them inappropriately.
But (to give a single example) maybe you think it is appropriate to label a woman by her marital status but not to do so for a man.
"progressive" are champions of not being a dick by calling people names that label them inappropriately.
But (to give a single example) maybe you think it is appropriate to label a woman by her marital status but not to do so for a man.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:49 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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"progressive" are champions of not being a dick by calling people names that label them inappropriately.
Like Tea Baggers, right?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 3:50 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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this is absurd.
A hit dog will holler.
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The media found a few people to trumpet these ideas,
And what? A whole political party was categorized by the remarks of those few people? Gee, has that ever happened before?
At least be man enough to own it when you deal it out, and then get it thrown back at you.
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