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Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:02 pm to TexasTiger89
To answer any questions, the unit was outfitted in uniforms that resembled Arabian Zouaves. That is the reason for the fanciful dress.
They look like they're wearing curtains for trousers and Shriner's caps. It is an exotic look, but tigers are exotic animals.
Maj. Wheat, pictured in the first link actually had to shoot some of his own men due to malicious insubordination and murderous intent. They were a very rough bunch that would have made men in Angola take pause.
They made history.
They look like they're wearing curtains for trousers and Shriner's caps. It is an exotic look, but tigers are exotic animals.
Maj. Wheat, pictured in the first link actually had to shoot some of his own men due to malicious insubordination and murderous intent. They were a very rough bunch that would have made men in Angola take pause.
They made history.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:11 pm to panzer
Valley Campaign. Is that why Tiger Stadium is called Death Valley?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:47 pm to TXGunslinger10
quote:The next Nike Pro-Combat's should be designed after those uniforms!
The 2nd one is awesome
Going on history, LSU should be the "Fighting Tiger Rebels" with colors of red, white, blue and grey. How'd all the Civil War stuff stick at Ole Miss and not LSU?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:13 pm to BRAVEHEART
quote:The thought crossed my mind, too, but I don't see it happening for reasons that won't be hard to figure out.
The next Nike Pro-Combat's should be designed after those uniforms!
quote:Ole Miss's entire student body at the time enlisted in and died fighting for the Confederate army; LSU's President fought for the Union and brought some matches with him.
Going on history, LSU should be the "Fighting Tiger Rebels" with colors of red, white, blue and grey. How'd all the Civil War stuff stick at Ole Miss and not LSU?
Posted on 1/29/14 at 5:20 pm to ballscaster
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Ole Miss's entire student body at the time enlisted in and died fighting for the Confederate army; LSU's President fought for the Union and brought some matches with him.
This. Thanks General Sherman!
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:11 pm to BRAVEHEART
quote:Like your antebellum Southerners ancestors, you glorify an illegal insurrection. You should learn from their mistake and avoid their fatal flaw: hubris.
Going on history, LSU should be the "Fighting Tiger Rebels" with colors of red, white, blue and grey. How'd all the Civil War stuff stick at Ole Miss and not LSU?
The antebellum Southerners coveted war with the North. They boasted that they would whip the North in a week. William Tecumseh Sherman (First Superintendent of the school that became LSU) heard their boasts. He wrote a letter to David F. Boyd, a friend, subsequent Superintendent of LSU, and a staunch supporter of secession:
quote:The South could have learned a lot from Sherman before the Civil War. Instead, they foolishly chose to learn a lot from him during it.
You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it... Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
When I think of Ole Miss I think of the word that best describes the Old South before the Civil War. Hubris.
I'm glad the Civil War stuff stuck at Ole Miss and not LSU.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:25 pm to Salviati
We whipped the North more often than not. In case you didn't know.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 6:28 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:Hubris.
We whipped the North more often than not. In case you didn't know.
I rest my case.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 7:51 pm to Salviati
quote:
The antebellum Southerners coveted war with the North.
Which is why the Union army invaded the south, all but 2 of the major battles were fought in the south, and R.E. Lee invaded Pennsylvania to get relief for war torn Northern Virginia.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:22 pm to agdoctor
quote:First, my statement is clear: The antebellum Southerners coveted war with the North. I offered a letter from Sherman that proves that the South coveted war. You offer nothing to refute the clear evidence that the South coveted war. Do you have anything to offer to refute my statement or will you continue to deflect the issue?quote:Which is why the Union army invaded the south, all but 2 of the major battles were fought in the south, and R.E. Lee invaded Pennsylvania to get relief for war torn Northern Virginia.
The antebellum Southerners coveted war with the North.
Second, the war began when Union owned property occupied by Union soldiers was bombarded by insurrectionists and insurgents.
Third, the Union army did not invade the South. The southern states may have illegally insurrected, but they were still part of the Union. Thus, by definition, the Union cannot and did not invade the Union.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:32 pm to Salviati
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Second, the war began when Union owned property occupied by Union soldiers was bombarded by insurrectionists and insurgents.
Yup
quote:
Third, the Union army did not invade the South. The southern states may have illegally insurrected, but they were still part of the Union. Thus, by definition, the Union cannot and did not invade the Union.
Double yup
it would only be considered invasion if the south had won. And we all know that didn't happen.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:35 pm to Salviati
They were free and independent states like the colonies in 1776
The North did iinvade and sought confrontation over peaceful resolution
The British empire freed their slaves without a drop of blood being shed. So did Brazil. Mr Lincoln couldn't live with 4/5 the of the US income saying goodbye.
While the North had 92% of the manufacturing and outnumbered the south in population, it was cotton exports that filled the Treasury as no export market existed for American goods. England and Europe owned those markets.
This is why Lincoln invaded. While he could care less about slavery - he said so in his inaugural address- he didn't want to be broke.
Sumpter acted as a tariff station. It's bombarding was known to all as a shaft in Lincoln's pocketbook.
The North did iinvade and sought confrontation over peaceful resolution
The British empire freed their slaves without a drop of blood being shed. So did Brazil. Mr Lincoln couldn't live with 4/5 the of the US income saying goodbye.
While the North had 92% of the manufacturing and outnumbered the south in population, it was cotton exports that filled the Treasury as no export market existed for American goods. England and Europe owned those markets.
This is why Lincoln invaded. While he could care less about slavery - he said so in his inaugural address- he didn't want to be broke.
Sumpter acted as a tariff station. It's bombarding was known to all as a shaft in Lincoln's pocketbook.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:38 pm to panzer
At 1st Manassas, the cry went up "STTDB."
Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:40 pm to panzer
The victors write the history
And the victors have said it wasn't an invasion
A civil war occurs when one group tries to forcible change he current government. That didn't happen. States
formed a new nation and left the old one behind. That newly formed nation was invaded. It was a war between the states. Not a civil war.
And the victors have said it wasn't an invasion
A civil war occurs when one group tries to forcible change he current government. That didn't happen. States
formed a new nation and left the old one behind. That newly formed nation was invaded. It was a war between the states. Not a civil war.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:58 pm to panzer
quote:No, not even close. The states delegated some sovereignty to the federal government when they ratified the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." Note that the title is not merely the "Articles of Confederation" but rather the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." Article XII states:
They were free and independent states like the colonies in 1776
"Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State."
When the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union proved to be too weak, the Congress called a convention for the "sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation." Thus, was born the United States Constitution by which the states ceded more of their sovereignty to the federal government. The United States Constitution begins with the statement, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union . . ." Thus the United States Constitution served to make the "perpetual union" more perfect. Article Five of the United States Constitution provided a method for states to leave the Union, and it served to reduce the previously required unanimous state approval to approval by only three-fourths of the states. The southern states refused to use that method.
quote:Again, the war began when Union owned property occupied by Union soldiers was bombarded by insurrectionists and insurgents. I wonder how you would feel if Cuba bombarded Guantanamo.
The North did invade and sought confrontation over peaceful resolution
quote:The southern states seceded because of slavery, but the Civil War was not fought because of slavery. The Civil War was fought because members of the southern states started an illegal insurrection.
The British empire freed their slaves without a drop of blood being shed. So did Brazil. Mr Lincoln couldn't live with 4/5 the of the US income saying goodbye.
quote:You know nothing of the history of Fort Sumter, let alone know how to spell its name. Fort Sumter had nothing to do with tariff collection. When it was bombarded by insurrectionists and insurgents, Fort Sumter was being constructed for coastal defense as a result of the burning of Washington and the naval shelling of Baltimore during the War of 1812.
While the North had 92% of the manufacturing and outnumbered the south in population, it was cotton exports that filled the Treasury as no export market existed for American goods. England and Europe owned those markets.
This is why Lincoln invaded. While he could care less about slavery - he said so in his inaugural address- he didn't want to be broke.
Sumpter acted as a tariff station. It's bombarding was known to all as a shaft in Lincoln's pocketbook.
Major Anderson commanded the Union garrison in Charleston, and he moved his troops to Fort Sumter only four months before he had to abandon it. Up to that point Fort Sumter was practically deserted and only 90% complete. It was certainly not a tariff station.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:12 pm to panzer
It always blows my mind how many threads on SEC forums manage to devolve into a Civil War debate.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:30 pm to panzer
quote:Members of the southern states forcibly seized property that was clearly owned and occupied by the federal government. Fort Sumter is but one example. Members of the southern states tried to seize half of the Union. The southern states had neither the legal right nor the legal authority to alter the federal system of government, withdraw from the Union, or form a new government over half of the Union.
A civil war occurs when one group tries to forcible change he current government. That didn't happen. States
formed a new nation and left the old one behind. That newly formed nation was invaded. It was a war between the states. Not a civil war
The states did not have the right, power, or authority to keep Troops or Ships of War in time of Peace. The states did not have the right, power, or authority to enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State. The states did not have the right, power, or authority to engage in War unless actually invaded. Members of the southern states violated all of these prohibitions before seizing federal property and starting the Civil War.
Again, the southern states were not sovereign nations nor did they become a sovereign nation when they attempted to form the Confederate States of America. The southern states had already joined a perpetual union. The southern states had already agreed to the supremacy of federal law over state law.
The southern states had a method available to leave the perpetual union that they freely and willingly joined. That method originally required unanimous state approval, but the requirement was reduced to approval by only three-fourths of the states. The southern states knew that method was the only legal option to leave the Union. Indeed, the southern states had knowingly agreed that the method would be the legal option. Nevertheless, the southern states chose to forego that option. Instead, the southern states bombarded federal property occupied by federal troops.
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