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Learn Me About Handguns
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:29 am
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:29 am
I grew up hunting and got my first shotgun when I was 10. Ninety-nine percent of the hunting I did back then was with a bow, but I've had various shotguns and rifles. But, as far as handguns, I've honestly only ever fired a few and never owned one of my own.
So, I really don't know jack about them. I'd like to get one for myself, but I'm really more concerned about getting one for my wife. She teaches yoga and often leaves her studio after dark. Since she teaches to the public, the possibility of a weirdo stalker crosses my mind at times.
Anyway, I've been doing some light research - looking at guns like the S&W M&P Shield and the Ruger LC9. But, I realize I don't know jack about them.
I don't want to get anything that's too complicated for her to operate quickly.
So, what is the deal with "internal safeties" or, like the M&P, external safeties?
Striker pins vs. hammers?
Will my wife with her skinny little hands be able to rack the slide on a semi auto?
Should I just look at revolvers?
I'd really like to stay with at least 9mm on the power scale.
*edit* Also she'll be carrying this in a bag or purse. Yoga pants aren't great for CC even if she wanted to strap one to her, which she won't.
So, I really don't know jack about them. I'd like to get one for myself, but I'm really more concerned about getting one for my wife. She teaches yoga and often leaves her studio after dark. Since she teaches to the public, the possibility of a weirdo stalker crosses my mind at times.
Anyway, I've been doing some light research - looking at guns like the S&W M&P Shield and the Ruger LC9. But, I realize I don't know jack about them.
I don't want to get anything that's too complicated for her to operate quickly.
So, what is the deal with "internal safeties" or, like the M&P, external safeties?
Striker pins vs. hammers?
Will my wife with her skinny little hands be able to rack the slide on a semi auto?
Should I just look at revolvers?
I'd really like to stay with at least 9mm on the power scale.
*edit* Also she'll be carrying this in a bag or purse. Yoga pants aren't great for CC even if she wanted to strap one to her, which she won't.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 8:12 am
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:31 am to Teague
These questions should be posed in the The Official Handgun For Newbies Thread
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:40 am to VanRIch
I don't think reading through 6 pages of posts about .22's and CC laws is going to teach me much about internals safeties or striker pins vs. hammers.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:40 am to Teague
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Anyway, I've been doing some light research - looking at guns like the S&W M&P Shield and the Ruger LC9. But, I realize I don't know jack about them.
Those are decent choices but I give the Shield the edge because the trigger is much better.
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I don't want to get anything that's too complicated for her to operate quickly.
If she carries it, she should have a round already chambered to avoid this.
Refer to my YouTube channel, BigApple0828. This video is "Carrying with an Empty Chamber - FAIL."
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So, what is the deal with "internal safeties" or, like the M&P, external safeties?
Refer to the videos on my channel. This one is called "Safeties - Needed or Unnecessary?"
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Striker pins vs. hammers?
Striker fired guns are preferred for carry since they don't have a hammer to snag on things as the gun is being drawn. Some guns have internal hammers that you can see when the trigger is pulled but these generally have awful triggers.
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Will my wife with her skinny little hands be able to rack the slide on a semi auto?
Yes. Refer to my YouTube video "Firearms for Women." I show the proper technique to rack a slide.
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Should I just look at revolvers?
She should be the one who chooses her gun so let this be her decision.
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I'd really like to stay with at least 9mm on the power scale.
That's a great place to be because small 9mms fit the most rounds compared to 40 and 45.
Sorry I can't link my YouTube videos, I'm on my phone. I'm sure someone else here will help me out.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:45 am to Teague
I'm not a pistol expert by any means but KR has some form of M&P that would be a great fit, maybe he can chime in shortly. My mom has trouble dropping the mag and racking the slide on a Glock(her hands are just too small she fumbles around with it). I personally think the less safeties or hammer an inexperienced shooter has to worry about the better. If she's not going to shoot a lot and get 100% comfortable with the pistol, then she should stick with along the M&P or XD line.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 7:47 am
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:55 am to Rize
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KR has some form of M&P that would be a great fit,
he has girl hands?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:55 am to Teague
Buy a judge and pew pew pew pew pew some shite up.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 7:56 am to Rize
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My mom has trouble dropping the mag and racking the slide on a Glock(her hands are just too small she fumbles around with it).
A single stack gun or an M&P would fix this issue. The larger ones have back straps that can be swapped that actually change the width of the grip, whereas on a Glock the back straps only change how much of the gun is in your palm. The width stays the same. And a single stack gun needs no explanation; it's already very thin.
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I personally think the less safeties or hammer an inexperienced shooter has to worry about the better.
+1
It also teaches them the importance of trigger finger discipline.
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If she's not going to shoot a lot and get 100% comfortable with the pistol, then she should stick with along the M&P or XD line.
I think an M&P Shield or a Springfield XDs would be awesome for her. Then again, this is only in terms of carry. If she doesn't plan on carrying it, a full sized pistol is much easier to shoot and holds a lot more rounds. If it's a bedside gun, get a full sized. If she plans on carrying it, I think she may like the XDs or Shield.
But I cannot stress this enough - let HER choose her gun. You can guide her along the way, but she'll be much more likely to carry it with her if it's actually hers and not just something you bought for her. It is also important that she's comfortable with how it feels, which is another thing that her choosing the gun solves.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:03 am to bapple
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It also teaches them the importance of trigger finger discipline.
nothing teaches it like shooting your foot that is for sure.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:05 am to Teague
I've got the M&P 9mm and it's a nice shooting little pistol.
It's has went "pew" everytime I've pulled the trigger. It's fairly small and compact as well.
I like it.
It's has went "pew" everytime I've pulled the trigger. It's fairly small and compact as well.
I like it.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:09 am to bapple
Thanks, Bapple. I'll check out your videos when I'm at home. Morons at work think watching youtube is counter-productive for some reason.
And I'll definitely let her have the final decision on her gun when we do buy it. I just want to learn a little more about what to look for - basic designs and features.
And I'll definitely let her have the final decision on her gun when we do buy it. I just want to learn a little more about what to look for - basic designs and features.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:19 am to Teague
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Thanks, Bapple.
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I just want to learn a little more about what to look for - basic designs and features.
Not a problem. And I would assume she doesn't necessarily need to go and get trained since you have been shooting forever.
A pistol is pretty much just like a tiny rifle. The only big difference is that a pistol without a safety is not the same as a rifle without a safety. Virtually all rifles and shotguns have safeties because their triggers are always exposed. A pistol is meant to be holstered and the trigger is covered, so a pistol without a safety is not less "safe." I have been carrying a pistol without a safety for years.
Just some food for thought.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:22 am to Teague
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Yoga pants aren't great for CC even if she wanted to strap one to her,
to her what damnit... TO HER WHAT!?!?!?!?!
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:24 am to Teague
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*edit* Also she'll be carrying this in a bag or purse. Yoga pants aren't great for CC even if she wanted to strap one to her, which she won't.
This gives you a bit more flexibility in terms of size. The basic rule is the larger the gun the better.
But if she plans on carrying it in her purse and possibly carrying it on her body at other times (not in yoga pants ) then I would still suggest something single stack.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:26 am to Teague
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Will my wife with her skinny little hands be able to rack the slide on a semi auto?
Should I just look at revolvers?
I'd really like to stay with at least 9mm on the power scale.
As Bapple indicated, techniques can be taught for a weaker person to comfortably rack the slide on most semis - and, it is not a bad technique for everyone - effectively it uses both hands to rack the slide - the grip hand presses forward, while the slide hand pulls back - thus doubling your effort.
Also, revolvers are great choices for many people - particularly people with limited experience with handguns - there are (generally) fewer operating controls and fewer parts to interact with during operation. However, caliber choice is relatively limited, as are loadings in those calibers (although choices are adequate).
In any event - avoid the classic mistake of getting a little woman a little gun - for a defense or "sidearm" weapon - one should shoot the largest weapon that is comfortable. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the trend towards smaller pistols and revolvers for women, while it is intuitive, is likely a mistake. It is harder to grip, sight and place accurate fire with a smaller weapon. Felt recoil is generally greater and magazine capacity is generally lower.
If this is going to be purse carry, size/weight is somewhat of a concern, but the true CCW weapons should be only for concealing on the person - even then, go with the largest weapon that the shooter is both comfortable with and fully meets or exceed the concealment criteria of the license and/or jurisdictional requirements.
9mm as a floor is the same criteria that I use - particularly if you consider .38 Special +P a 9mm equivalent (which I do.)
I think we're way too early about settling on a brand or configuration. I might even suggest she take a CCW class or other pistol shooting class - because the weapon, without any sort of skills, is going to be of limited utility, anyway. Once she starts shooting - assuming she buys into this - she will start to form opinions. Another thing you can do is find a range with rentals and have her shoot 20 to 50 out of a selection of weapons ranging from Sig P226/G17, down to the Kahrs - all in 9mm, so she can get an apples-to-apples idea of size, weight, grip and how well she shoots them. The sweet spot should be relatively obvious after she does this.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:30 am to Teague
I said ask the questions there not read it for answers. Jeez
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:31 am to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
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In any event - avoid the classic mistake of getting a little woman a little gun - for a defense or "sidearm" weapon - one should shoot the largest weapon that is comfortable. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the trend towards smaller pistols and revolvers for women, while it is intuitive, is likely a mistake.
This^^^^^^
For the XDs and M&P Shield, you can use a full length magazine to get a full grip. The teeny tiny 9mms and 380s with a 2-finger grip are extremely snappy to shoot.
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even then, go with the largest weapon that the shooter is both comfortable with and fully meets or exceed the concealment criteria of the license and/or jurisdictional requirements.
+1
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:49 am to 4LSU2
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Buy a judge and pew pew pew pew pew
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 pews. Check.
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