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congrats Oklahomasexuals

Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:26 pm to
Hooray for freedom.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Hooray for freedom.


?

Wouldn't freedom be allowing Oklahomans to pass whatever laws they deem fit to pass and allowing those who disagree with those laws to move to states with laws they do agree with?
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Wouldn't freedom be allowing Oklahomans to pass whatever laws they deem fit to pass and allowing those who disagree with those laws to move to states with laws they do agree with?


Like slavery?

Freedom is freedom not majority supported oppression.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:33 pm to
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Freedom is freedom not majority supported oppression.


Well said
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:33 pm to
in a few days by the time this makes my facebook feed it'll be a hilsarious meltdown.

but seriously oklahoma people will not be happy.
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:34 pm to
Just a few short years agoi it was "We just want it on the ballot, let the voters decide." which when they didn't get their way morphed into doing it by judicial fiat.

The freedom to suck dick is the defining initiative in the US for the 21st century. No wonder the country is headed for shithole status.
Posted by FalseProphet
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:35 pm to
I've posted on this topic before, but even Scalia predicted last term that the federal DOMA case (striking it down) would result in this exact thing.

So far, every district judge has agreed with that.

This judge at least got it right by staying the mandate (which Justice Sotomayor did in the Utah case), so we won't have the Utah debacle in Oklahoma.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

Like slavery?


These two issues are not the same.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

The freedom to suck dick is the defining initiative in the US for the 21st century.


Some folks just want to eat at the pink taco....
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

Just a few short years agoi it was "We just want it on the ballot, let the voters decide." which when they didn't get their way morphed into doing it by judicial fiat.

The freedom to suck dick is the defining initiative in the US for the 21st century. No wonder the country is headed for shithole status.


Voters voting based on this one issue only is certainly destroying our country.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

Wouldn't freedom be allowing Oklahomans to pass whatever laws they deem fit to pass and allowing those who disagree with those laws to move to states with laws they do agree with?


Freedom would be allowing individuals to enter consensual contracts without having their fellow citizens deciding what kind of contracts are available to them.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:40 pm to
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These two issues are not the same.


so would you be fine with oklahoma passing a law that says black people may not enter into a contract to purchase a house in oklahoma?
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Posted by MSMHater
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:43 pm to
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Voters voting based on this one issue only is certainly destroying our country.





Of all the policies "destroying this country", this sure as hell isn't one of them.

As a matter of fact, it's probably the most inconsequential issue in the voting publics conciousness right now. Just stupid that its a topic at all.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

The freedom to suck dick is the defining initiative in the US for the 21st century. No wonder the country is headed for shithole status.


You've been free to suck dick in this country well before the 21st century.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

The freedom to suck dick is the defining initiative in the US for the 21st century. No wonder the country is headed for shithole status.



I am all in favor of girls sucking dick. Are you opposed to all dick sucking?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:45 pm to
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As a matter of fact, it's probably the most inconsequential issue in the voting publics conciousness right now. Just stupid that its a topic at all.


This.
Posted by FalseProphet
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:46 pm to
If anyone cares about the rationale behind what these judges are doing, here is the portion of Scalia's dissent addressing the import of Windsor:

quote:

The penultimate sentence of the majority’s opinion is a naked declaration that “[t]his opinion and its holding are confined” to those couples “joined in same-sex marriages made lawful by the State.” Ante, at 26, 25. I have heard such “bald, unreasoned disclaimer[s]” before. Lawrence, 539 U. S., at 604. When the Court declared a constitutional right to homosexual sodomy, we were assured that the case had nothing, nothing at all to do with “whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter.” Id., at 578. Now we are told that DOMA is invalid because it “demeans the couple, whose moral and sexual choices the Constitution protects,” ante, at 23—with an accompanying citation of Lawrence. It takes real cheek for today’s majority to assure us, as it is going out the door, that a constitutional requirement to give formal recognition to same-sex marriage is not at issue here—when what has preceded that assurance is a lecture on how superior the majority’s moral judgment in favor of same-sex marriage is to the Congress’s hateful moral judgment against it. I promise you this: The only thing that will “confine” the Court’s holding is its sense of what it can get away with.

I do not mean to suggest disagreement with The Chief Justice’s view, ante, p. 2–4 (dissenting opinion), that lower federal courts and state courts can distinguish today’s case when the issue before them is state denialof marital status to same-sex couples—or even that this Court could theoretically do so. Lord, an opinion with such scatter-shot rationales as this one (federalism noises among them) can be distinguished in many ways. And deserves to be. State and lower federal courts should take the Court at its word and distinguish away.

In my opinion, however, the view that this Court will take of state prohibition of same-sex marriage is indicated beyond mistaking by today’s opinion. As I have said, the real rationale of today’s opinion, whatever disappearing trail of its legalistic argle-bargle one chooses to follow, is that DOMA is motivated by “ ‘bare . . . desire to harm’ ” couples in same-sex marriages. Supra, at 18. How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status. Consider how easy (inevitable) it is to make the following substitutions in a passage from today’s opinion ante, at 22:

“FONT DOMA’s FONTThis state law’s principal effect is to identify a subset of FONT state-sanctioned marriages FONTconstitution-ally protected sexual relationships, see Lawrence, and make them unequal. The principal purpose is to impose inequality, not for other reasons like govern-mental efficiency. Responsibilities, as well as rights, enhance the dignity and integrity of the person. And FONT DOMA FONT this state law contrives to deprive some couples FONT married under the laws of their State FONTenjoying constitutionally protected sexual relationships, but not other couples, of both rights and responsibilities.”

Or try this passage, from ante, at 22–23:

“FONT [DOMA] FONTThis state law tells those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid FONT marriages FONTrelationships are unworthy of FONT federal FONTstate recognition. This places same-sex couples in an unstable position of being in a second-tier FONT marriage FONTrelationship. The differentiation demeans the couple, whose moraland sexual choices the Constitution protects, seeLawrence, . . . .”

Or this, from ante, at 23—which does not even require alteration, except as to the invented number:

“And it humiliates FONT tens of FONT thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their commu-nity and in their daily lives.”

Similarly transposable passages—deliberately transpos-able, I think—abound. In sum, that Court which finds it so horrific that Congress irrationally and hatefully robbed same-sex couples of the “personhood and dignity” which state legislatures conferred upon them, will of a certitude be similarly appalled by state legislatures’ irrational and hateful failure to acknowledge that “personhood and dig-nity” in the first place. Ante, at 26. As far as this Court is concerned, no one should be fooled; it is just a matter of listening and waiting for the other shoe.

By formally declaring anyone opposed to same-sex marriage an enemy of human decency, the majority arms well every challenger to a state law restricting marriage to its traditional definition. Henceforth those challengers will lead with this Court’s declaration that there is “no legitimate purpose” served by such a law, and will claim that the traditional definition has “the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure” the “personhood and dignity”of same-sex couples, see ante, at 25, 26. The majority’s limiting assurance will be meaningless in the face of language like that, as the majority well knows. That is why the language is there. The result will be a judicial distortion of our society’s debate over marriage—a debate that can seem in need of our clumsy “help” only to a member of this institution.

As to that debate: Few public controversies touch an institution so central to the lives of so many, and few inspire such attendant passion by good people on all sides. Few public controversies will ever demonstrate so vividly the beauty of what our Framers gave us, a gift the Court pawns today to buy its stolen moment in the spotlight: a system of government that permits us to rule ourselves. Since DOMA’s passage, citizens on all sides of the question have seen victories and they have seen defeats. There have been plebiscites, legislation, persuasion, and loud voices—in other words, democracy. Victories in one place for some, see North Carolina Const., Amdt. 1 (providing that “[m]arriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State”) (approved by a popular vote, 61% to 39%on May 8, 2012), 6 are offset by victories in other places for others, see Maryland Question 6 (establishing “that Maryland’s civil marriage laws allow gay and lesbian couples to obtain a civil marriage license”) (approved by a popular vote, 52% to 48%, on November 6, 2012). 7 Even in a sin-gle State, the question has come out differently on different occasions. Compare Maine Question 1 (permitting “the State of Maine to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples”) (approved by a popular vote, 53% to 47%, on November 6, 2012) 8 with Maine Question 1 (rejecting “the new law that lets same-sex couples marry”) (approved by a popular vote, 53% to 47%, on November 3, 2009). 9

In the majority’s telling, this story is black-and-white: Hate your neighbor or come along with us. The truth is more complicated. It is hard to admit that one’s political opponents are not monsters, especially in a struggle like this one, and the challenge in the end proves more than today’s Court can handle. Too bad. A reminder that dis-agreement over something so fundamental as marriage can still be politically legitimate would have been a fit task for what in earlier times was called the judicial temperament. We might have covered ourselves with honor today, by promising all sides of this debate that it was theirs to settle and that we would respect their resolution. We might have let the People decide.


This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:49 pm to
It's like he has tourettes and cant stop saying FONT randomly.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:49 pm to
I love this part of the article:

quote:

Oklahoma could be on its way to becoming the 18th or 19th state to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples. Currently, Utah’s case is pending appeal.


If you did not know it, you would think that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma had decided on their own to do this. Instead, the quote should read:

quote:

Oklahoma could be on its way to becoming the 18th or 19th state to be forced by a federal judge to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples. Currently, Utah’s case is pending appeal.
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