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Saints free agents: who to keep; who to let walk
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:47 am
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the ones we must resign:
cheap signings- Coleman, Haralson, Humber, Pugh
The following will command a higher price tag- Jimmay, Jenkins, Strief
The rest can walk. I am not a huge Strief fan, but he's reliable. We need to bring in another RT to push him and take that job. Jenkins knows the system, plays well in it when not trying to compensate for the holes due to injuries and is a team captain. Jimmay... nothing needs to be said.
RFA: Tender them all. Bush has been a stellar reserve, Collins is stud, Morgan is potential that has yet to be tapped and Johnson is needed depth
quote:
Saints unrestricted free agents
Charles Brown
Kenyon Coleman
Keyunta Dawson
Brian de la Puente
Jimmy Graham
Shayne Graham
Parys Haralson
Will Herring
Ramon Humber
Malcolm Jenkins
Luke McCown
Robert Meachem
Jordan Pugh
Zach Strief
Jonathan Vilma
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush
Jed Collins
Tom Johnson
Joe Morgan
the ones we must resign:
cheap signings- Coleman, Haralson, Humber, Pugh
The following will command a higher price tag- Jimmay, Jenkins, Strief
The rest can walk. I am not a huge Strief fan, but he's reliable. We need to bring in another RT to push him and take that job. Jenkins knows the system, plays well in it when not trying to compensate for the holes due to injuries and is a team captain. Jimmay... nothing needs to be said.
RFA: Tender them all. Bush has been a stellar reserve, Collins is stud, Morgan is potential that has yet to be tapped and Johnson is needed depth
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 8:53 am
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:51 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
Saints unrestricted free agents
Charles Brown gone
Kenyon Coleman gone
Keyunta Dawson who???
Brian de la Puente maybe
Jimmy Graham franchise tag
Shayne Graham gone
Parys Haralson re-sign
Will Herring gone
Ramon Humber gone
Malcolm Jenkins hope he is gone, but will re-sign. cannot take a proper angle
Luke McCown re-sign
Robert Meachem gone
Jordan Pugh re-sign
Zach Strief gone
Jonathan Vilma gone
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush sucks,but re-sign so fans can keep reggie bush jersey
Jed Collins re-sign
Tom Johnson re-sign
Joe Morganre-sign
Saints unrestricted free agents
Charles Brown gone
Kenyon Coleman gone
Keyunta Dawson who???
Brian de la Puente maybe
Jimmy Graham franchise tag
Shayne Graham gone
Parys Haralson re-sign
Will Herring gone
Ramon Humber gone
Malcolm Jenkins hope he is gone, but will re-sign. cannot take a proper angle
Luke McCown re-sign
Robert Meachem gone
Jordan Pugh re-sign
Zach Strief gone
Jonathan Vilma gone
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush sucks,but re-sign so fans can keep reggie bush jersey
Jed Collins re-sign
Tom Johnson re-sign
Joe Morganre-sign
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:52 am to Midget Death Squad
MDS=pimp
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:54 am to Midget Death Squad
Saints unrestricted free agents
Charles Brown - Goodbye
Kenyon Coleman - 1 yr vet minimum offer
Keyunta Dawson - minimum offer
Brian de la Puente - negotiate moderate deal
Jimmy Graham -negotiate, tag, listen to trade offers but mainly work on long term deal
Shayne Graham - offer vet minimum
Parys Haralson - negotiate a 1 or 2 year very moderate deal. like 2 yrs 3.5 mill.
Will Herring - Get the frick out
Ramon Humber - 2 yr low deal
Malcolm Jenkins - Guage his market value... if he wants market value... goodbye
Luke McCown - vet min
Robert Meachem - vet min
Jordan Pugh
Zach Strief - meh, perplexed.
Jonathan Vilma - good bye
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush 3 yr 8 mill
Jed Collins - good bye
Tom Johnson - 2 yr 4-5 mill
Joe Morgan-1 yr prove yourself deal
Charles Brown - Goodbye
Kenyon Coleman - 1 yr vet minimum offer
Keyunta Dawson - minimum offer
Brian de la Puente - negotiate moderate deal
Jimmy Graham -negotiate, tag, listen to trade offers but mainly work on long term deal
Shayne Graham - offer vet minimum
Parys Haralson - negotiate a 1 or 2 year very moderate deal. like 2 yrs 3.5 mill.
Will Herring - Get the frick out
Ramon Humber - 2 yr low deal
Malcolm Jenkins - Guage his market value... if he wants market value... goodbye
Luke McCown - vet min
Robert Meachem - vet min
Jordan Pugh
Zach Strief - meh, perplexed.
Jonathan Vilma - good bye
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush 3 yr 8 mill
Jed Collins - good bye
Tom Johnson - 2 yr 4-5 mill
Joe Morgan-1 yr prove yourself deal
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:57 am to Chad504boy
you and I see the Strief-DLP value inversely. I say "meh" to DLP and think Strief needs the moderate deal. He has performed well for the most part. We definitely need an upgrade, but that may not be easy to do. Center is always easier to find, and DLP has been a hinderance.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:58 am to Chad504boy
Jed Collins and Jenkins will not walk.
Strief will be re-signed and Jimmy won't be traded, are you crazy? He's the only thing we have on offense atm.
Strief will be re-signed and Jimmy won't be traded, are you crazy? He's the only thing we have on offense atm.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:02 am to Midget Death Squad
DLP is ranked fairly high on center fa lists, that's what makes me confused. He's good enough to keep and maybe just maybe cheap enough.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:04 am to Midget Death Squad
Jenkins is terrible, we need to get him out of here one way or another.
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 9:05 am
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:10 am to Midget Death Squad
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Jenkins knows the system, plays well in it when not trying to compensate for the holes due to injuries and is a team captain
Wait, what? The only time he played well was when he was up near the line blitzing. He can't tackle in the open field, and can't cover. What good is he as a Safety if he can't do either?
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:11 am to 4thandinches
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mmy won't be traded, are you crazy? He's the only thing we have on offense atm
I'm really tired of this attitude. You are wrong.
Drew Brees created Jimmy. Any big target who is moderately fast would do well in this offense. I like JG, but it is obvious to me that he is not as good as the money he is going to command. We CAN NOT afford to pay Drew what he is currently making AND add 10 mil a year for Jimmy. Just not gonna happen. We will be a bottom dweller in 3 seasons if we do that.
We have to be realistic. I like our chances without Jimmy with a bunch of picks we got for him in a trade and a bunch of youth at WR with a few vets more than I like our chances with Jimmy and a bunch of old guys.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:23 am to ATLienTiger
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The only time he played well was when he was up near the line blitzing
Not true. He was getting praise earlier in the season for his play. Later in the season is when we saw him out of position a few times. Still overall his play was decent. I am not saying he is an all-world Safety, but he is better than many give him credit for. It's easy to sit here and say "jenkin sucks," but the truth is that he was an important piece to this defense. He's not the playmaker he should be based on his draft status, but he is worth resigning if he takes a reasonable contract.
I agree with C505B in that we let the market play out and see if he agrees to a below market value. If he wants top 15 safety money, then he needs to walk.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:09 am to Midget Death Squad
He's just not good, just look at his tackling attempts. That has nothing to do with who is playing back in the secondary with him. Also, how many games was the entire starting secondary together? Jenkins, Harper, KennyV, Greer, Lewis?
At times he got beat over the top, not as much as past seasons, but the more often offense was him allowing someone in front of him to get past him and turn a small gain into a huge play with run after the catch. It's amazing how he's incapable of covering literally anyone, doesn't matter their size or speed.
At times he got beat over the top, not as much as past seasons, but the more often offense was him allowing someone in front of him to get past him and turn a small gain into a huge play with run after the catch. It's amazing how he's incapable of covering literally anyone, doesn't matter their size or speed.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:18 am to Midget Death Squad
Saints unrestricted free agents
Charles Brown - min offer
Kenyon Coleman - gone
Keyunta Dawson - min offer
Brian de la Puente -min offer
Jimmy Graham -negotiate/tag
Shayne Graham - offer
Parys Haralson - min offer
Will Herring - Get the frick out x1000
Ramon Humber - min offer
Malcolm Jenkins - min offer
Luke McCown - vet min
Robert Meachem - gone
Jordan Pugh no idea
Zach Strief - I'm very sure he stays for min offer
Jonathan Vilma - bye
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush - Keep please
Jed Collins - get someone more versatile.
Tom Johnson - offer
Joe Morgan-1 year deal
Charles Brown - min offer
Kenyon Coleman - gone
Keyunta Dawson - min offer
Brian de la Puente -min offer
Jimmy Graham -negotiate/tag
Shayne Graham - offer
Parys Haralson - min offer
Will Herring - Get the frick out x1000
Ramon Humber - min offer
Malcolm Jenkins - min offer
Luke McCown - vet min
Robert Meachem - gone
Jordan Pugh no idea
Zach Strief - I'm very sure he stays for min offer
Jonathan Vilma - bye
Restricted free agents
Rafael Bush - Keep please
Jed Collins - get someone more versatile.
Tom Johnson - offer
Joe Morgan-1 year deal
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:19 am to Midget Death Squad
What's the deal thinking this Jordan Pugh will resign?
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
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Brian de la Puente -min offer
lulz u know he played for 2 mill last year.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
Tom Johnson really didn't do anything in Ryan's system this year.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:23 am to goatmilker
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Rafael Bush - Keep please
This dude has a future, and it looks bright
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:23 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
who to let walk
no, but seriously:
Keep Jimmy, Coleman, Haralson, Morgan, Collins.
Keep Strief(for backup money), Bush, Dawson, Humber if they want to stay on for cheap.
The rest...well, bye
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:24 am to Chad504boy
By min offers I'm using it in broad terms. As in get for cheap, don't over pay etc.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:28 am to goatmilker
Jimmy is a freak athlete. However, he has had some big drops this year. He will get tagged this year, but if nothing is worked out over the next season, he goes, and we draft another big body.
however, very little of this matters unless Brees restructures this off season. IF he is team player, then he will. This will tell me a lot about Brees.
Wait and see.
however, very little of this matters unless Brees restructures this off season. IF he is team player, then he will. This will tell me a lot about Brees.
Wait and see.
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