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was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?

Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:33 pm
Posting from my phone, but curious how people feel currently.

He was arrested after the war and imprisoned in Virginia for two years before being freed on bail.

He was never tried and lived out much of the remainder of his life in Mississippi, though he traveled quite a bit.

I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that.

Anyway, was Davis a traitor? Was he a hero? Should he have been prosecuted and hanged? And since many here are southerners, how do you think the north views him?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:34 pm to
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Anyway, was Davis a traitor?


No.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:35 pm to
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was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
No.
There is a reason he wasn't tried.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:36 pm to
Y
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

was Davis a traitor?
Yes. The victor is the hero and the loser is a traitor. Thus is the way of all rebellions. The victor writes the history books.
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Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?
Not if the North wanted to avoid angering the South. Thankfully they didn't go that route and went with the much more peaceful act of forgiveness.
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And since many here are southerners, how do you think the north views him?
As they view all southerners. Traitors and rebels.

Its more likely that most northerners wouldn't even know who he was though.


On another note, I still believe the South was completely within its rights to leave the union.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:41 pm to
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Its more likely that most northerners wouldn't even know who he was though.


I can't speak for the Midwest but I think the revolution left a stronger imprint on New England.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:42 pm to
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I can't speak for the Midwest but I think the revolution left a stronger imprint on New England.
A majority of people nowadays can't name their own senator, let alone name the president of the CSA.

And yes, I am somewhat exaggerating.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:51 pm to
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The victor is the hero and the loser is a traitor.


Exactly. If you don't want the traitor label, you had better win the war.

Not everyone can be be a George Washington.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:09 pm to
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was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?


Absolutely, yes.

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Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?


I think he should have been prosecuted, sentenced to death, but then had his sentence commuted to life by the president.

quote:

how do you think the north views him?


The few that do think about it probably think it's odd that a treasonous terrorist is still lauded in many parts of the south.
Posted by LSUnowhas2
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:10 pm to
Nope. If he was never tried and convicted then he cannot be GUILTY of anything.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:11 pm to
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I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that.


Yeah, at a house in the Garden District. I want to say, Third Street. There's a plaque in front saying so.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:21 pm to
"I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that."

He did die in New Orleans and you walk right by the house in which he died. It is not far from the shops and restaurants on Magazine Street.

"Anyway, was Davis a traitor?"

I say that he was not because in our federal system, especially as it existed before the Civil War, states are sovereign bodies and he remained loyal to Mississippi. By way of analogy, the break-away states from the USSR almost certainly had/have leaders who previously served in the Soviet Union. While Davis, for better or ill, chose Mississippi over the Union, he was not a traitor. (I would say the same about Southerners who chose the Union over their home states. Not traitors).

"Was he a hero?"

Difficult to say. From the accounts I have read, he was brave in the face of pursuit by federal forces, but ultimately, the secession of the Southern states was too motivated by the desire to extend the institution of slavery for me to regard him as a hero even if I admire him in some respects.

"Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?"

No. Many were on the losing side and I am not aware of anything Davis did as president of the Confederacy to merit such punishment, especially if you wanted to reunify the nation after the war.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:25 pm to
Point of Random Information:
Jefferson Davis went to Centenary College. I also got to see the original notes from the faculty minutes in 1861. Said something like "Classes suspended. Students have gone to war. God help the right."
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:42 pm to
Random, but very cool.

Thanks for posting that!
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:44 pm to
He'd argue that point.

And he would probably win.

Because the fricker loved to argue, so much that he was hated for it. . .but he generally won all his arguments.
Posted by Zed
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
I don't think so.
Posted by mauser
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

“All we ask is to be let alone.”
Posted by Broke
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:42 pm to
My family used to own his home
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 1/2/14 at 3:55 pm to
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A majority of people nowadays can't name their own senator, let alone name the president of the CSA.

And yes, I am somewhat exaggerating.
sadly you really aren't.

Expanding on an earlier response. Northerners after Lincoln's assassination would have loved nothing more than than prosecuting Jefferson as a traitor. That trial would have opened up the unaddressed Constitutionality of secession. It was a can of worms not worth opening, even given emotions of the day.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:03 pm to
I'm sure the North knows nothing of his past and his quite full and colorful life but instead see's him as the racist face of a bunch of slave holders.

Davis was NOT a traitor. To bring him up on thoses charges would have been a losing case. Perhaps more creative charges could have been brought but after two years most wanted to avoid any further contemplation of his case for various political reasons.

There is much I admire about the Jeff Davis before his selection as president of the CSA. But his actions and words during the conflict became more and more extreme and lessed what i considered to be a honorable man.
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